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messaline said:
But I can say that there is effectively a difference between horizontal and vertical for my breasts ; in vertical, my arms , by their positions, are pulling my breasts to the back and the breasts'weight to the down !
So, it results a kind of opposed tractions which procure to me , indeed a suffering, but also a great pleasure ; perhaps it's due to my great sensisivity , I cant exactely explain ...
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very interesting description, Messa. I hadn't considered crucifixion as applying different forces to the breasts, and the feelings that those opposed forces may bring. I would love to hear more. :)
I think you strike at the heart of the experience, though, a suffering but also a great pleasure.

PhilX said:
I have always imagined that the victim lying horizontally on the cross itself before being raised up, or on the rough filthy earth with their arms pulled along the patibulum would arc their bodies up with the agony of nails being driven through their flesh & bone. This particularly if being nailed to the whole cross by their feet when the arms were already fixed. It's of course likely if just the wrists were being nailed that the knees would be drawn up into a foetal position unless held down by the execution gang. The hips arcing up high would be a great sight for the watching crowd, all this accompanied by an incontinent loss of control. All very messy!
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So, horizontal crux as a prelude to the real, vertical experience. I think there is a lot of power in the image of the horizontal body, being prepared for crucifixion, the helpless resignation, or possibly defiance and struggle, all played out on the ground while the limbs are fixed to the wood. Would the body arch in agony? For some yes, for others no, I suspect. We are all different :) we are not equal in our flexibility or our reaction to pain. I wonder . . . .
 
messaline said:
When I'm crucified, in first, I'm laying and roped on the patibulum and in second, the patibulum is hanged to the pole ...(T cross )
So, I avoid the bump when a cross is put up, like it's usually done ...

But I can say that there is effectively a difference between horizontal and vertical for my breasts ; in vertical, my arms , by their positions, are pulling my breasts to the back and the breasts'weight to the down !
So, it results a kind of opposed tractions which procure to me , indeed a suffering, but also a great pleasure ; perhaps it's due to my great sensisivity , I cant exactely explain ...
And when I'm arching , it's yet more arousing, so much arousing that I can have an orgasm if my lovely friend'girl is fingering me !

And I dont speak about some lashes on my nipples during this process !!!:rolleyes:
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I think that is not right, crucifixion is a process and orgasm another, thus after the process, with eating olives, drinking wine and eventually smoking. These are two different categories!
 
messaline said:
... But I can say that there is effectively a difference between horizontal and vertical for my breasts ; in vertical, my arms , by their positions, are pulling my breasts to the back and the breasts'weight to the down ! ...
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Indeed this is new for us, It costs time but I can investigate if our two prominent poets Barbaria1 & Littlesiss (I made a pdf) have mentioned this in their feminine property.
 
messaline said:
When I'm crucified, in first, I'm laying and roped on the patibulum and in second, the patibulum is hanged to the pole ...(T cross )
So, I avoid the bump when a cross is put up, like it's usually done ...

But I can say that there is effectively a difference between horizontal and vertical for my breasts ; in vertical, my arms , by their positions, are pulling my breasts to the back and the breasts'weight to the down !
So, it results a kind of opposed tractions which procure to me , indeed a suffering, but also a great pleasure ; perhaps it's due to my great sensisivity , I cant exactely explain ...
And when I'm arching , it's yet more arousing, so much arousing that I can have an orgasm if my lovely friend'girl is fingering me !

And I dont speak about some lashes on my nipples during this process !!!:rolleyes:
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Sensitivity is a big part of it....my breasts and especially my nipples are especially sensitive to different positions, pressures, sources of pain, and so on. So I can relate to what Messa is saying here.:)
 
PhilX said:
I have always imagined that the victim lying horizontally on the cross itself before being raised up, or on the rough filthy earth with their arms pulled along the patibulum would arc their bodies up with the agony of nails being driven through their flesh & bone. This particularly if being nailed to the whole cross by their feet when the arms were already fixed. It's of course likely if just the wrists were being nailed that the knees would be drawn up into a foetal position unless held down by the execution gang. The hips arcing up high would be a great sight for the watching crowd, all this accompanied by an incontinent loss of control. All very messy!
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Well said, and very accurate I think.
 
Fox-on-Cross said:
I think that is not right, crucifixion is a process and orgasm another, thus after the process, with eating olives, drinking wine and eventually smoking. These are two different categories!
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In my opinion , no! Even if crucifixion'desire was coming in my mind from the view of the Via Cruxis in the churches when I was a young girl, I always linked it to the pleasure, suffering yes, but to reach pleasure !
My girl'friend ,in crucifying me, does a love'act and I give to her my sufferings and my orgasm like a reward for her work ...

Perhaps it's not your view, but it's mine and it's definitive ...
By the past, I'd described in a poem what are our feelings about BDSM and Crucifixion ...;)
 

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phlebas said:
very interesting description, Messa. I hadn't considered crucifixion as applying different forces to the breasts, and the feelings that those opposed forces may bring. I would love to hear more. :)
I think you strike at the heart of the experience, though, a suffering but also a great pleasure...
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Like I've said, phlebas, I cant explain : I've rather a middle brests, not strong, but very sensitive; perhaps that the fact to tract it back is provoking a pression to my tits and exciting them ; I know that I'm able to get an orgasm only by a strong excitation (torture or/and caresses) of my nipples : not many women can have this result and I think that I'm lucky !;)
 
messaline said:
In my opinion , no! Even if crucifixion'desire was coming in my mind from the view of the Via Cruxis in the churches when I was a young girl, I always linked it to the pleasure, suffering yes, but to reach pleasure !
My girl'friend ,in crucifying me, does a love'act and I give to her my sufferings and my orgasm like a reward for her work ...

Perhaps it's not your view, but it's mine and it's definitive ...
By the past, I'd described in a poem what are our feelings about BDSM and Crucifixion ...;)
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I respect your fixed and deliberately meaning, it is as your life-style.

Also in my youth, I perhaps wrote more this, we children must walk along a crucified "Lord" double tall as we were. To see these bright broad breast, stretched arms and naked legs are never to forget. There fore I like to see my breast and limbs in the mirror. But a Roman Catholic past is no conditio sine qua non to embrace the lovely cross.
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I think and be persuaded that men and women are different in their approach of the life ...
Man is a hunter, he keeps, he enjoys and he gets out to another pleasure ...Perhaps it for this reason that some of them are asking for punishment or redemption by crucifixion ...?
I cant say, generally, you're not prolix about your crucifixion' motivations (not you Fox !;))...

Woman is a recipient : she is penetrated, she wears the life and gives it ...
So, woman is more prepared to make a gift, even the total gift of her body and her reasoning is involved by her nature ....

But, perhaps I'm wrong ... It could be interesting to have another opinions (male/female) about this ....;)
 
messaline said:
I think and be persuaded that men and women are different in their approach of the life ...
Man is a hunter, he keeps, he enjoys and he gets out to another pleasure ...Perhaps it for this reason that some of them are asking for punishment or redemption by crucifixion ...?
I cant say, generally, you're not prolix about your crucifixion' motivations (not you Fox !;))...

Woman is a recipient : she is penetrated, she wears the life and gives it ...
So, woman is more prepared to make a gift, even the total gift of her body and her reasoning is involved by her nature ....

But, perhaps I'm wrong ... It could be interesting to have another opinions (male/female) about this ....;)
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Very true. Broadly speaking, men and women do approach life very differently. Women civilize men. Men, true to their nature, are on the hunt to fill as many holes as they can. A woman, for the sake of her future children, offers a man exclusive access to her body in exchange for his protection and support. By exchanging access to many holes for one hole the man settles down to domestic bliss ;) -- broadly speaking, of course!
 
messaline said:
I think and be persuaded that men and women are different in their approach of the life ...
Man is a hunter, he keeps, he enjoys and he gets out to another pleasure ...Perhaps it for this reason that some of them are asking for punishment or redemption by crucifixion ...?
I cant say, generally, you're not prolix about your crucifixion' motivations (not you Fox !;))...

Woman is a recipient : she is penetrated, she wears the life and gives it ...
So, woman is more prepared to make a gift, even the total gift of her body and her reasoning is involved by her nature ....

But, perhaps I'm wrong ... It could be interesting to have another opinions (male/female) about this ....;)
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This is an old-fashion opinion, man plus and woman minus, learned in our youth...

The woman after the emancipation-wave in generally can hunt too, even crucify a man (Are there here articles about?).
But the best is our behavior to adjust with our not asked, obligatorily received education will we not become lonely victims in the desert.
Our history since birth is etched in our genes, from them we are dependent.

Not we but a later generation should think and act otherwise.

FOX
 
Fox-on-Cross said:
This is an old-fashion opinion, man plus and woman minus, learned in our youth...

The woman after the emancipation-wave in generally can hunt too, even crucify a man (Are there here articles about?).
But the best is our behavior to adjust with our not asked, obligatorily received education will we not become lonely victims in the desert.
Our history since birth is etched in our genes, from them we are dependent.

Not we but a later generation should think and act otherwise.

FOX
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I don't understand how this view of our human nature is plus versus minus. Men and women are complementary in their natures. One does not negate or cancel out the other as in a "plus versus minus" analysis.

Viva la difference!
 
I dont agree with this emancipation-wave : I dont think that it's a real emancipation !
Women are more submitted to the lechery of men when they are in a pseudo freedom ( To show a naked woman body is not necessary a liberation ...)
It's in the mind that we do work! I am an amazon ! I'm lesbian !
The freedom is not only a question of nudity : I show my nudity if I want and I dont want to be in the common way which consists , I regret that, in showing ourselves to be better hunted by men, in fact!

Freedom is a word which deserves to be explained and which is not always well used ....:(
 
messaline said:
I dont agree with this emancipation-wave : I dont think that it's a real emancipation !
Women are more submitted to the lechery of men when they are in a pseudo freedom ( To show a naked woman body is not necessary a liberation ...)
It's in the mind that we do work! I am an amazon ! I'm lesbian !
The freedom is not only a question of nudity : I show my nudity if I want and I dont want to be in the common way which consists , I regret that, in showing ourselves to be better hunted by men, in fact!

Freedom is a word which deserves to be explained and which is not always well used ....:(
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Well said Messa!:clapping:
 
Yes yes, that is true. Mentioned wave is a time ago, women can climb to the highest positions. But they rest woman. Indeed a critic is that the wave was exaggerated and that many years after the sharp and unfairly point are paved.
 
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