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Judicial Corporal Punishment Of Women: Illustrations

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Here are some images I found in a mixed gallery online - I suspect many (or most) have already been posted here but I cannot specifically recall seeing them. No sources given.

The first few have German captions, and I strongly suspect they are book illustration from the early 20th century (possibly Rudolf Quanter's books as per my previous posts). The last two are the same, the second time as mirror image, without caption but slightly better quality.

Captions are (left to right):
1. "Interrogation of captured female communists": I suspect this is from the 1919 Spartakus rebellion. The author is given as "Carl Josef" from a book/article titled "Terror", but I can't find any reference to that artist or source online.
2. "Punishment of a serving maid": The artist is given as "G. Sieben", based on a report from a Prussian police commisar.
3. "How to dispel the urge for freedom -- after an anonymous aquarell against the cruelty of the reaction": I suspect this is from the 1848/49 revolutions, possibly Hungary.

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The other four images also look old (with the possible exception of the last one) -- does anybody recognise artists or sources?

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Same source as my previous post, but these are photos/movie stills. The first one I suspect is photoshopped, but nicely done. The others look to be from mainstream movies -- does anybody here recognise which movies they are from? I don't think that they ever made women run the gauntlet (they certainly didn't in Prussia), but it makes for a nice fantasy.

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nsur1 said:
Same source as my previous post, but these are photos/movie stills. The first one I suspect is photoshopped, but nicely done. The others look to be from mainstream movies -- does anybody here recognise which movies they are from? I don't think that they ever made women run the gauntlet (they certainly didn't in Prussia), but it makes for a nice fantasy.

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The last three photos are from "The Round-Up", a Hungarian film of 1966.
 
nsur1 said:
Here are some images I found in a mixed gallery online - I suspect many (or most) have already been posted here but I cannot specifically recall seeing them. No sources given.

The first few have German captions, and I strongly suspect they are book illustration from the early 20th century (possibly Rudolf Quanter's books as per my previous posts). The last two are the same, the second time as mirror image, without caption but slightly better quality.

Captions are (left to right):
1. "Interrogation of captured female communists": I suspect this is from the 1919 Spartakus rebellion. The author is given as "Carl Josef" from a book/article titled "Terror", but I can't find any reference to that artist or source online.
2. "Punishment of a serving maid": The artist is given as "G. Sieben", based on a report from a Prussian police commisar.
3. "How to dispel the urge for freedom -- after an anonymous aquarell against the cruelty of the reaction": I suspect this is from the 1848/49 revolutions, possibly Hungary.

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The other four images also look old (with the possible exception of the last one) -- does anybody recognise artists or sources?

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1-4 are from "Sittengeschichte der Revolution" (1930).

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Thanks, Elephas -- very helpful! I was guessing you would probably be able to place these.

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2. "Punishment of a serving maid": The artist is given as "G. Sieben", based on a report from a Prussian police commisar.
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I have now established that the "G. Sieben" in image 2 is Gottfried Sieben (1856-1918), an Austrian illustrator who is best known for a series of anti-Ottoman propaganda illustrations titled "Balkangreuel" (Atrocities of the Balkans), published in 1909. They are pretty explicit images of rape by Ottoman soldiers, and are in high-quality scans at Wikimedia:

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I found another illustration by him that is on-topic in this thread, also with an (anti-)Ottoman theme but not part of the Balkangreuel series. This one shows a Turkish penetentiary, with two women being flogged and a man being given the bastinado:

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Here are two more images of sort-of judicial punishments -- a group a female Dutch collaborators in 1944, before and after headshave. According to the website where I found them, they were thereafter driven through the streets for public humiliation, but there is no photo of that. Fascinating comparison of their body language before and after.

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nsur1 said:
Thanks, Elephas -- very helpful! I was guessing you would probably be able to place these.



I have now established that the "G. Sieben" in image 2 is Gottfried Sieben (1856-1918), an Austrian illustrator who is best known for a series of anti-Ottoman propaganda illustrations titled "Balkangreuel" (Atrocities of the Balkans), published in 1909. They are pretty explicit images of rape by Ottoman soldiers, and are in high-quality scans at Wikimedia:

Category:Balkangreuel (Gottfried Sieben) – Wikimedia Commons

commons.wikimedia.org commons.wikimedia.org

I found another illustration by him that is on-topic in this thread, also with an (anti-)Ottoman theme but not part of the Balkangreuel series. This one shows a Turkish penetentiary, with two women being flogged and a man being given the bastinado:

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Here are two more images of sort-of judicial punishments -- a group a female Dutch collaborators in 1944, before and after headshave. According to the website where I found them, they were thereafter driven through the streets for public humiliation, but there is no photo of that. Fascinating comparison of their body language before and after.

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There is a photo of them marching thru the street with their heads shaven. I believe I saw it in Cornelius Ryan's book "A Bridge Too Far", if not there certainly somewhere else. The 3 photos are actually pretty well known in the WWII historian community.

In this case their "collaboration" was pretty much limited to dating the German occupiers.

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willowfall said:
In this case their "collaboration" was pretty much limited to dating the German occupiers.
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Thanks - I looked for but couldn't find the third one.

I think this is generally the case for the women who got punished and humiliated after liberation -- for all that the desire for revenge was understandable after the end of occupation, it tended to concentrate on the most vulnerable and least guilty, namely the women who slept with German soldiers (or sometimes were simply rumoured to), often because it was the only way to feed their children or because they were coerced. There was a solid streak of hypocrisy and misogyny in this with most of those gloating citizens having spent the previous years making their own dirty little accommodations and compromises with the occupiers. I am morally conflicted here, as I deeply sympathise with the plight of these women, but at the same time find this humiliation scenario arousing (not least because I would always imagine it from the victims' perspective, not the perpetrators -- also true for all these judicial corporal punishment scenarios depicted in this thread).
 
These are Hardcastle drawings with a judicial theme, omitting those already posted to this thread (except the last, which is an upgrade in quality from the one posted earlier). Apologies if there are other duplicates I haven't spotted. The first three don't quite look his style, so they may be misidentifed in my source.

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#2 is definitely my favorite in terms of setting: a Nazi torture chamber. Everything works perfectly in the image. A couple of evil torturers ready to extract information from the poor almost naked victim, (with the tasty detail of old fashioned panties down ..mmhh..), a dark dungeon, cigarette, a whip, the bars, the naked bulbs casting stark shadows from above.
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