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An unnecessarily deep analysis of Ramon's Christa & more

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justarandomguy

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After some time of research and checking out Ramon like a maniac, I have collected some fun facts and stuff to make an essay like post where I would like to share my findings, but I'm not sure if enough people would be interested.
Am I a Ramon fan? Sort of
Am I a fan of his Christa film? Guilty as charged.
Now obviously, there are some details that I have to leave vague to protect some personal data, but the plan would be the following.
Ever one or two days I would try my best to post a new "chapter" about my research on this topic.
A rough idea of the chapters would be
1.- The road to the production
2.- The production
3.- Fun facts from the behind the scenes
4.- Why is this the favorite of many?
5.- Epilogue: Aftermath of the short film and the current state of POAG

Side note: I thought this goes way out the commercial POAG thread, since it's more of a research/opinion thread, that's why I thought it made sense to make a new thread.
 
Since I have seen that the (little but nice) reception this post has gotten has been positive feedback, I'm going to start today with an introduction to what will come.
Thank you for answering the poll, helps me know my fanboy-ism for this short film isn't going to be tiresome for you.

About Ramon's christa
Introduction​

"The passion of the christa" is a well known film in the crux community in one way or another. Maybe because you bought the clip back when passionofagoddess.com was active or when femalechristinarts.com existed, maybe you rented in on vimeo or maybe you found with the quite funny nickname it was given in many video platforms with a really low quality: "A bad day for a roman woman" (Yeah, I just got tortured and executed, your every life bad day). For me, the first time I saw it was with the latter, and it blew my mind.
Out of nowhere, I wondered if women were crucified, and so far, I only knew the history channel documentary that very briefly touched on this, and what it showed wasn't what one would imagine. Then came Ramon's project, passion of a goddess, which is a whole can of worms by itself due to the controversy it might cause because of the perspective he takes on female crucifixion.

The thing that made Ramon different, at least for me, was the fact that it wasn't just more stuff that would be normally more associated with pornography, it tried to be more artistic. Yea, it's hard to avoid some erotic themes when dealing with a half naked or fully naked woman on a cross, and it's also hard to avoid controversies, or even go ahead with an endless discussion about what is art.

This film took a more "narrative" take on the idea of a female crucifixion, one of the first of it's kind (at least that I know of, since I'm relatively new to this topic), because until then most female crucifixion in media wasn't too focused on the usual via crucis structure, which wasn't bad, heck, some people enjoy more the kinds of videos which don't touch the roman thematic (cruxdreams for example), each one has his own tastes.
But for people imagining a crucifixion that had something more "roman-ish", this film was near perfection for that case.

Tomorrow we will dive into some stuff before The passion of the christa was even produced, some context for the more curious, and who knows, maybe tie some loose ends. A disclamer tho: Most of the people involved in the christa film have very low profiles, so we can't make an exact timeline and get a full picture of how the film came to be or how Ramon picked his actress, but I think this might be as far as we can get on the story of the making of this short film. Even if we don't get a full picture, hey, at least there were some fun facts.

Stay tuned!
 
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Part 1: The road to the production
If you out of curiosity wanted to see what else did Ramon sell on amazon, you would have seen that besides the Christa DVD and some books with female christ photography, there are books like a series of essays tackling the corruption in Spain and "The criminal nature of the Opus Dei". I'm going to be honest, I have little to no idea about these topics, but they bring up some interest context.

In one of the books, it details that Ramon was born in 1959 in southern Spain. Then in 1995 he had to go to exile due to reasons that he wrote in the Opus Dei book (which I haven't read, I just read the sample provided by amazon). I suspect that he exiled himself due to all of this trouble with "Opus Dei", and the destination was Sweden.

Ramon studied social anthropology, developing art, and eventually (around the time he fled to Sweden) took a career as a high school teacher, with the subjects of math and spanish, which I'm not sure if he has worked as since graduation (again, those are details that could be in the rest of his book).

Without getting into much detail, the opus dei is an institution of the Catholic church, and since Ramon had such a conflict with it, it would make sense that this would eventually expand to ideas that would be more critical of the church.

If we combine Ramon's anthropology and art studies plus the "beef" he had with an institution of the church, it's not too crazy to say that this eventually expanded into his project, Passion of a Goddess, which fits in his description of the project ("Many artists in the past 2000 years [...]"), where he brings up the conservative parts of church and the negative response to the concept of a female christ (then again, this could be linked to his issues with the Opus Dei).

That's how we get to April 2005, the earliest record of the Passion of a Goddess website in the Wayback Machine, and probably the launch date for the POAG project.
Now this is pure speculation from me, but I believe it's not a coincidence that barely a year before, Mel Gibson's film was released, and it might have helped Ramon to kickstart his own project (that and the title of "the passion of the christa", that i highly doubt came out of nowhere). POAG would be an art project with photography and video, which would eventually expand to digital art and 3D animations.

The first to come out of this project would be what today in vimeo is simply named "Goddesses", which I will personally call a "photoshoot with bonus videos". Basically, this was mainly a photoshoot, where two blonde models got to do mostly static poses for pictures, with a video that could work as a teaser or a bonus that is kind of a behind the scenes of the photoshoot. A relatively simple project at least in the production value terms, a studio with a black backdrop, a cross (which might have been the hardest and/or most expensive part)and a crown of thorns. The hard part I believe would be to get a model to want to get involved into this kind of photoshoot, led alone two, but it was just that, modeling.

If we follow the wayback machine, in April it just shows the pictures from the photoshoot with the blonde models, until September of 2005, where pictures and a trailer for the passion of the christa were released, which leads me to believe that this film was produced between those dates of April and September of 2005.

Now, here comes a little more interesting, but sadly, short part, where surprise surprise, I got some fun facts about the christa actress, a woman that we have known nothing about for almost 20 years.

For reasons that I will state in part 3 (Fun facts from behind the scenes), we know that her name is "Bruna" (don't worry, it's something that we can know in one of the officially released videos). Bruna's current age is set to be around 39 years old, and if we do the math, we can point that she was around 21 years old when she took part in the christa film.

Oddly enough, she has had other credits as actress (yes, actress, not model). The first one would be for an indie spanish-catalonian film in 2002 (that seems had some trouble and released in 2007 instead), where she was 18 years old and was featured as a secondary or tertiary character in a college romcom. I don't know much about this film since it's practically impossible to find, there's just a trailer and a clip here and there, and most of them don't feature Bruna. Maybe this film is hard to find because most reviews find it to be a really bad film, where even an actor that debuted in it, got picked on for starring on such a "crappy film" (altho, I dont blame them, it seems like a really low budget film with a lot of first timers in the cast and crew).

Here are some extremely cropped stills of the christa actress, Bruna, with more than just a loincloth (crazy, I know).

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(There is another still that I cant upload due to the limit, I might include it as a bonus later, but let's just say she seems to be laying probably sick on a couch with what I presume are her friends in the film, I hope she doesn't die in the film, that would be a hilarious coincidence)

How did Ramon and Bruna cross paths? I have no freaking clue, but it maybe had to be the fact that both of them were from Spain and the previously mentioned indie film.
With this and other elements that I will detail in the next part.

Stay tuned!
 
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Part 2: The production
I know this was Ramon's second video production, but holy guacamole, he did not need to go this hard on his second production. I would expect this for like the fourth production or later, but this level of production value is astonishing if we remember that it wasn't even a year since the passion of a goddess project launched.

According to the imdb of the passion of the christa, the budget was an estimate of 20 000 dollars. We can't be sure of this number, since it might have been there just to fill the blank, or if that is the budget adjusted for inflation or not.
As I said before, it's probable that the production of the passion of the christa was between april and september of 2005 (come to think of it, right now we are in the 18th anniversary of this film). With some knowledge I have about the film industry and watching this film over and over again, I can point out some "technical" aspects and similar things.

A curious thing is that Ramon had the help of a (now extinct) company that worked on communications and video production with a decently sized team shown in a really rare thing for Ramon, to put credits at the end. I personally think there was more people involved (for example, Bruna is not listed in the credits), likely because they didn't want others to know they were involved in this project, since it could be embarrassing for some that the general public knew about their involvement (altho, to be fair, the demographic interested in roman female crucifixions is pretty small).

By now we know the drill, the main short film shows basically most stages of the via crucis (skipping stuff like the arrest, judgement, etc etc), beginning at the whipping and putting the crown of thorns, then carrying, nailing, raising the cross, suffering, and at last, the death on the cross. During all this process, Bruna shows a range of emotions, going from a "accepted her fate" mood, to "increasing suffering/crying", "struggling heavily to breath", and at the end, again, accepting her death and giving her last breaths (which would be later extended with unreleased footage, that adds some more suffering and the eventual death).

At first, I could estimate that the production must have taken at least 2-5 days, there is a lot of unreleased material that could extend the duration of the final film (just the base video is 10 minutes long, a bonus warm tones video was about 20 minutes, and just the behind the scenes of the whipping is 18-20 minutes long). We can also add to that all the setup one has to do. Since the space in the set is not too big, the same place had to be used for all the scenes.

Be warned: If you don't want to ruin the "magic tricks" that Ramon pulled to make this work and your immersion in the film, I recommend you to stop reading here.

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We can see this in the whipping post, that in one part kind of wiggles, so it could be quickly removed and film the other parts.

Another technique Ramon might have used, during the carrying of the cross, is to move across the same set two or more times, and since the set is just a black backdrop with some fog, there's no need to move the cameras a lot.

Speaking of which, Ramon seems to have used two cameras during the filming, alternating between close ups or wider shots. After shooting some footage, he would move the cameras again, rinse and repeat for the whole process. Also in a bonus video of "female christ in warm tones", we can see that they even built some sort of scaffolding to put a camera and get a shot a little above the cross.

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Speaking of the cross, I'm amazed by how large it seems, and in some picture, you can see it's really tall, almost twice the size of Bruna. I'm not quite sure if it's 100% wood, but it seems that there has to have been some trick to make it look wooden, but not too heavy, so the two guards could lift it up plus the actress, which may be the only time ramon made a full uncut raising of the cross, since in other films he just cuts while the cross is being lifted, probably because they can't lift it up and leave it stable at the same time (which is understandable, since I doubt it's easy to make a cross stable so it won't fall and damage the actress, or get unbalanced once the actress gets on).

There were some shocking moments for people that watched this for the first time, like the nailing of the hands that caught everyone by surprise. Ramon cleverly used fake hands (how did he get fake hands that looked so good this early into POAG's life?, I don't know) and the roman soldiers capes to hide the rest of Bruna's hand.

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The other thing that surprised everyone was the fact that Bruna really looked like she was really hanging from the cross. To make her be able to hold, there were some sort of "hooks", where the actress could put her hands and hang from there.

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As for her feet, it wasn't anything crazy, but a small platform where there was barely space for one of her feet, since she had to put one on top of the other. I imagine that must have been really tiresome, that is why in many behind the scenes it's shown that she gets tired a lot of times. To be fair, she manages to hold for some long periods, kudos to her.

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Of course, there also was some job about makeup, mainly with the blood, mainly in the back of Bruna for the whipping marks and in her forehead for the crown of thorns. Altho the whipping marks might not look that great, the job on the forehead blood ranges from decent to really good.

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I might be repeating myself, but I can't do justice to Bruna's acting, she did a great job not only in her acting, but in her dedication, since I imagine staying in that pose for relatively periods of time must have been tiresome (maybe not as much as productions like cruxdreams, where the models can't stand on a platform and instead have her feet fully tied against a cross/tree, but still, wow). If there was a dictionary with pictures only, the word struggle would just show a picture of Bruna (okay, maybe I got a little overkill with that analogy, but you get my point).

As a final note, altho I personally would want to see more an outdoors crucifixion, the job done on the set here is minimalistic but good, having a fully black drop that isolates the action and makes us focus on just that, the action. Add to that the fog machines that add a mystic ambience (might be me overthinking it, feel free to interpret the fog as you want). And the lighting does quite a good work, where blue could make you feel the coldness of the guards, the suffering, the hopelessness, only to then, in the final moments, switch to warm lights that make you feel more calm, as in, finally, it's over.

It may look like I spent the last part speaking of the behind the scenes, and it kind of is, but trust me, I got more stuff to talk about about the behind the scenes in the part that will come next, and until then...

Stay tuned!
 
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Part 3: Fun facts from behind the scenes​

Before I begin, there is one thing I forgot to mention in the last post. First of all, the location of filming is quite the odd one, since it seems like some sort of old wooden building, and in a part of the film, if you listen to it with the original audio (which can be heard in any of the "A bad day for a roman woman" videos on the internet), during some parts of the carrying, there is a sound of a drill or a saw. It always made me wonder if the whole thing was filmed on a place where they cut wood, or is it a studio where it just so happens there is some work during production? I would find the latter kind of odd, since when you record you don't want other noises besides the ones you want to keep in the film. Then again, the crew usually talks while they record, so maybe it wasn't a priority for them.
Feel free to leave your own conclusions.

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I did this before, but it might be worth pointing that if you don't want your immersion in this film ruined due to me revealing how it was made, it's wise to stop here (sorry if I did this again, I promise the next part won't be too much about revealing the tricks behind the scenes).

Now, it's time for some fun facts that can be seen in the behind the scenes videos.
First of all, the whipping is kind of real, since the whip actually does hit Bruna's body.
Granted, it's not literally tearing apart Bruna's back, but she does get hit. It can't be an usual whip, since her back doesn't have any visible red marks (or if there are any, they aren't that noticeable) that would show real whipping marks.

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I would think that the whip is made of a material that doesn't hurt that much, or it has something to do with the actor of the guard folding the whip in half. Add to that the fact that at one point, Ramon says cut, but the guard still whips Bruna two times, and here is where she just shrugs it, and even tells the guard that okay that's enough while laughing, I doubt someone feeling real pain would just shrug it off and laugh.

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A problem with the whipping was for the actors playing the roman soldiers, since their costumes, the capes to be more specific, were loose, so while the guard was whipping, his cape kept falling of, getting in an awkward place or making the whipping a little harder.

As for the carrying of the cross, there were two tricks, the first one being a sort of foam or sponge on the place that would be over Bruna's shoulder, this in order to not be so rough on her shoulder. There was also a hidden sort of cart at the bottom of the cross, covered with a black fabric, which would be for either A) Helping Bruna to not really struggle carrying it, letting her focus on acting, and/or B) To not damage the floor of the set.

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At one point during the carrying the cross, there was a moment where Bruna accidentally lost balance of the cross and it almost fell over her. Altho disaster was avoided, I wish in my opinion that made it to the final cut, since it would perfectly fit the film and the theme of the suffering.

For the nailing part, there, in some outtakes, Bruna had some sort of bracelet in her right hand. Why? ...not sure, but this could help my theory that the recording took more
than just a day, since maybe she forgot to take out the bracelet when they started filming the nailing scene.

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A guard also could be heard kind of complaining, which grants him the "I really wish I was not here right now" badge, but maybe he stayed because a job is a job.

When the actress was dragged to the cross, they had to do some extra shots, and in one of those, the final result was really good... except a guard accidentally took the crown of thorns out of Bruna's head with his roman sword.

Most of you may have already noticed this if you watched the behind the scenes, but let's say Bruna is quite the goofball (in the good sense of the word). When she is not fully in character, she makes silly faces and laughs, which I honestly find curious. Regardless of what her current thoughts are on that time she acted for an odd indie short film about a female crucifixion, she seemed to be having a blast during production.

At a point during the filming, while they were shooting the feet nailing, she let out a really weird pain noise, if we can call it that, where she says "again, no?", and then something like "are we or are we not?", and proceeding to laugh.

Also, while the cross was being raised, in one of the shots Ramon says "lift it up", which is kind of odd, since he has been speaking spanish the whole time, but suddenly speaks english? Or maybe is it catalonian? Who knows.

While making some close ups, a cameraman says he's going to "close up to a soldier", and then he changes to the other while saying "now I change to the less evil soldier, kind of a funny way to differentiate the guards.

The guards had to stay and hold the cross during a lot of scenes, maybe because this was after they raised the cross, and since it was uncut, they had to hold it until they stopped recording and then they could do the necessary steps to hold the cross in place, while also taking the guards out of the picture without awkwardly holding the cross for the rest of the film.

During the suffering, final struggling and death scenes, Bruna had to fix her crown and move her hair sometimes, and for that, she had to take one feet off the platform and kind of use it for balance, a thing that can be seen in the behind the scenes of other of Ramon's films. She even brought it to the back of the cross at one point.

As for now, this is what I got on fun facts of the behind the scenes, but if I eventually find something else, even after finishing this, I will bring it to you.

I have told so far how this film came to be and how it was produced, but way before I was curious about the behind the scenes tricks, there was a question I had, and it was "Why exactly is this one so beloved, if not, the most beloved Ramon production?".
We will bring some answers tomorrow.

Also, since I ran out of my daily five pictures per day, I will include the ones missing from this post in the next part, since it will be mostly text and maybe one picture regarding tomorrow's topic.

Stay tuned!
 
Honestly, I kinda figured out the hooks thing, but the fake hand is all kinds of extra. What a crazy approach! part of the success of this film and its enduring popularity is no doubt due to the gorgeous actress who gave such a great performance. She made the whipping seem real! (Even though, you know, the marks looks especially fake when viewed at higher definitions.) Loving this documentary treatment, keep it up!
 
About Ramon's christa
Part 3.1: Her name is what???
The problem with writing all of this without taking notes is that you forget some stuff you wanted to talk about. I promised I would explain this, im sorry.

I have thrown the name Bruna all this time, but why exactly? In a behind the scenes of the whipping (the one with the camera in front of her), there comes a point where Ramon says a name and the actress turns to her right as if her name was called.

I said "bingo, her name is Luna"... or so I thought. After my research, turns out Ramon said "Bruna", not Luna. Bruna isnt a common name in latin america (except Brazil), so my mind jumped to the closest common name, Luna.

I confirmed this after reading the cast in the indie spanish-catalonian rom-com, her name is Bruna.

Man I did not expect to find this out ever in my lifetime.

Next part we will return to our usual boardcast, tomorrow's topic will be more open to discussion, since it isnt too much about facts from the film itself but a discussion and trying to understand opinions.

Thanks for your feedback @mp5stab! I love sharing all this information, it felt bad not being able to get this out of my chest.

Untill tomorrow and
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Part 4A: Why is this the favorite of many?
Again, before I start, I left out (yet another) fun fact. Ramon said a lot of times during filming "perfect", "very good", but during the nailing (that looked pretty realistic, i can't stress that enough), one of the guards accidentally hit the nail in a way that it got way tilted. That moment, Ramon said "no, (that's) very bad".

With that out of the way, we can open this can of worms with endless discussions about the acting, the creative choices, visuals, etc., etc.

A long time ago, on the now extinct crux foundation, Ramon made a thread (yep, he personally wrote on that forum, RIP crux foundation btw) with a clever name: Miss POAG, the miss universe of the POAG cinematic universe (or something like that).
On this thread, Ramon made a poll of which of her models was the favorite, and Bruna almost came with a clean sweep, with around 40% - 60% of the votes, even Ramon himself wondered why she was the most popular with such a difference (the second place had like 25% of the votes).

This means not everyone will like every model/actress, but the case with Bruna is still curious, as she still stands out from the others.
part of the success of this film and its enduring popularity is no doubt due to the gorgeous actress who gave such a great performance.
Mp5stab really nailed the point (pun intended), this film was mostly carried by Bruna (last crucifixion pun, I promise). But I do believe this film was practically something like catching a lightning in a bottle, since a lot of factors line up perfectly to combine into this film.
Before starting to fanboy about the film, let's talk about some negatives, which are mostly nitpicks.

First, during the nailing, while Bruna pulls out an incredible facial acting, the fact that the rest of her body is pretty... still (her legs) ruins a little my immersion, since I would think the legs would move in some sort of way as a reaction to the pain or to try and endure it.

Also, I wish there was more variety on the shots, like a prifule view of her, some different close ups of her face, her nailed arms and legs, etc.

Another nitpick usually brought up and that kind of fits with my tastes, she is nailed directly in the palm of her hand, which it's not too real, and makes me wish they used ropes to at least make some sense of "extra support". I know the actress probably needed to hop in and out of the cross quickly, but there has to be a way to tie her wrists without making it a slow process.
This one is more of a personal thing that's borderline fantasy, but it's because I love this actress' performance that I wish they included more, if not all the via crucis stages. At least from the arrest to her death, including the sentencing, stripping her before the whipping, etc. But hey, imagination is free.

Curious as to why there was no complete nudity?
This one is a good one, if Ramon or Bruna did an interview, we could know exactly, but for now, we can only speculate. Since the endless team loincloth vs team nude is a discussion that will continue until the end of times (say hello fellow team loincloth friends). The explanation that I think makes sense has potential two reasons.

First: Ramon was just starting his project, and this early into it he wanted to be really clear with his representation of the female christ. Traditionally, crucifixions have been portrayed with loincloths (because of "decency"), but like many say, it's more likely that they were fully naked. Since Ramon wanted to make some sort criticism of the church. My guess is that he used this image of a crucifixion with a loincloth because of that tradition of using loincloths in most, if not all artistic portrayals of crucifixion, altho he would experiment with full nudity in later productions.

The second reason I believe is more simple, and maybe Bruna just didn't feel comfortable with full nudity, and she was just comfortable showing her breasts, but down there was a no no.

Moving onto more positive feedback, like I said before, I believe this is beloved by more than Bruna's acting alone, and other factors perfectly lined up.

First is Bruna's casting, but not just of her acting skills, but her physic appearance also lifts up the film. Yeah, she isn't a curvy, tall, blonde supermodel but this actually works in the film's advantage. Bruna being a small person with an average body type and curly black hair. All of this works into making her look like an innocent, and most importantly, overpowered.

It's believe no coincidence that almost every single time Bruna and the guards share the screen, Bruna is in the middle of the two taller and stronger guards, outnumbering and outpowering her from both her sides, she is trapped from both sides, powerless to the guards. Add to that the fact that the only time we see her standing up straight is while she's taken by the guards to the whipping post at the beginning, the rest of the time she is crouching, on the floor, laying down, dragged without resistence, etc.
...except I lied, there is one time Bruna is higher then her guards... once she is lifted up on the cross, which is more of a shame as she is exposed on high.

Speaking of the cross, it might sound weird, but I believe the cross is a character on itself. The cross in this film is big, like, really big. It's almost twice the size of Bruna, the wood is thick and it looks heavy, really heavy. Even if the actress had to carry just the crossbeam, it would still overpower her.

The fact that not only the guards, but also the cross itself overpowers her, brings these layers of showing her weak and powerless at the mercy of her cruel fate.
When she hangs from the cross, she is still overpowered, having her arms almost fully stretched and her legs with just enough movement range to barely allow her to lift herself to breath. The cross is really strong, it won't let Bruna escape this misery.

Im not sure if that would be easy, but a thing that makes Ramon, well, Ramon, is the fact that he likes to experiment, and this means using a wide range of models and actresses with different bodies and looks, while also experimenting with lightning, sets (white or black drops, green screens and more), and any variable you can think of.

A more technical aspect that enhances this film is the editing and audio design. We got to be honest, Ramon's editing usually leaves much to be desired. Some productions recycle shots, others have pacing issues, sometimes he even leaves some stuff that shouldn't be in the final cut. The female christ in warm tones video, which is basically an extended version of Bruna's suffering and death has a shot where she moves her feet to adjust her pose, which really. breaks immersion.

The audio is even worse, all productions except maybe two or three have no original sound which really helps. Even when he tries to make up for it with adding voices or sounds in the editing... it doesn't quite fit. The biggest problem is without a doubt, is the music, since a lot of productions feature music that doesn't fit, is obnoxious or really annoying. The passion of the christa does feature an odd music choice, I can't deny that, but we know Ramon has a superior version without the music. And thankfully, the original sounds are left there, with some repeated to fill in some gaps that had a lot of noise.

And the editing, it just has perfect pacing, with an average of each part being 2 and a half minutes. The warm tones video doesnt have a good pacing, but I see that as just bonus footage for the fans.

This part ended up being way longer than I expected, so I decided to split it in two and tomorrow I will continue with an exercise where to put what I just said to test, I will compare some of Ramon's works with the passion of the christa.

Im going to add the images missing from the last post:

When the actress was dragged to the cross, they had to do some extra shots, and in one of those, the final result was really good... except a guard accidentally took the crown of thorns out of Bruna's head with his roman sword.
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let's say Bruna is quite the goofball (in the good sense of the word). When she is not fully in character, she makes silly faces and laugh
(She even pulled a "Rock eyebrow raise" during the whipping, it can't be fully seen but it's still there. If you help me with how to upload a gif, I will upload it)
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(Also, a funny moment I forgot to mention, when the guard accidentally whipped Bruna after they said "cut", he rubbed his hand on her back and watches if she's okay, quite the wholesome moment of a guard showing he's sorry).
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During the suffering, final struggling and death scenes, Bruna had to fix her crown and move her hair sometimes, and for that, she had to take one feet off the platform and kind of use it for balance, a thing that can be seen in the behind the scenes of other of Ramon's films. She even brought it to the back of the cross at one point.
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Sorry for the delay, I hope this long post makes up for it, and I'll see you in tomorrow's post.
Stay tuned!
 
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Part 4B: Why is this the favorite of many?
I read some of my old posts, and man, I need to spellcheck more, that's why you should hold your excitement while write something you really want to write. Sorry if I wrote some stuff that gave you a stroke while attempting to read it.

Now, about the comparison I talked about yesterday, we will take some other of Ramon's productions, these include "Female christ in blue night I" (where is number II, I don't know, it's a myth I guess) and "If you were Jesus", and see what stuff works, what doesn't and why. Altho I wish I could compare it with, I don't know, something outdoors with an arrest and stripping scene...

This is called foreshadowing.

Keep in mind, Ramon is an experimental kind of artist, almost always trying to do something different, where sometimes the thing he throws to the wall works and doesn't, I don't mean to be rude, just bring some points, and if I get heated up on a topic, it's just my opinion, and I don't mean to say that his work sucks or anything, there's a lot of effort put into this.

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We will start with the blue night video, and I won't even be subtle about it, I'm not a fan of this one, I borderline despise it. For starters, the set, some props and the roman soldiers are reused, which I don't mind. Even the actress is also from Spain (as seen in a now missing behind the scenes video that I think was named "Model4.mp4 or something like that). Sometimes, the last thing you want to do is to throw all those things to the trash after investing time and money into them, so we could talk about this as some sort of "sequel" to the christa video, in an odd way, with a new model.

I don't know if Ramon released more of this, but the current available version on vimeo is all we have, and what is it? A really long video about a photoshoot, because the actress is so still that I wonder if she was just a statue, she isn't even bothered, she just seems kinda lost looking around. The only time there was some action was on the raising of the cross, she makes a pain noise, the original sounds stops there, and all we have is around 10 minutes of nothing. This is like the first "Goddesses" video, but those were short and fast paced, this one is overstaying it's welcome.

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(A really bad drawing illustrating my point, kind of exaggerated, but you get it)

Remember I said Bruna's height was a big plus for her film? Well, it's the opposite here, she is too tall for this cross, her arms aren't stretched at all, heck, she doesn't look like she's hanging, if she had to look like that, she would need to sort of "kneel" like most cruxdreams models, where the limbs aren't that stretched as christa's, but they take this into an advantage to wiggle around, which this actress doesn't do, SHE'S SO FREAKING TALL AND STILL.

Sorry, I lost my cool there. Don't get me wrong, the model is pretty, maybe the un-stretched arms are a thing only I hate, but this one would have been better as just a photoshoot, the video is kind of a waste of time.

Now, for the other production, I think it's the closest thing to what christa did, at least in the technical aspect, original sound, the via crucis stages shown are the same as christa's with an odd justification (a woman imagines herself in the position of Christ), the remastered version has full color, and the model isn't too bad. In general it's a decent video, but there are two things that keep it from being way better. The actress doesn't show much pain or struggle to stay alive, granted, she does have a distressed face, but it's a "oh no, I lost my bus" kind of face, not a "I'm about to die" face. And the next one, that applies to most Ramon's later videos: The cross looks really flimsy.

Granted, the cross in christa and maybe blue night was so heavy that it required two guards to lift it and some sort of cart to help carry it.
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But... why this downgrade? Is it experimental? The cross from christa was lost or was too far away from new sets? I don't know, but this is a really big downgrade. It doesn't look like it will hold the victim, with really thin planks, it would take just some wiggling and bang, it will snap. Maybe this isn't actually the case, but at least visually, that's the effect given.

But another film that had the potential to surpass the passion of the christa, as foreshadowed before, is Roman movie. Man did that film create some expectations with that arrest scene, with three guards HOLY CRAP, NOW she is outnumbered, altho it felt like a soap opera with the corny sad music (at least it wasn't some distracting goofy music that didn't fit), it was a step in the right direction. The actress doesn't seem as short as Bruna, but the guards are way taller than her, okay, good. Then came a stripping scene, OKAY, now we are talking. And the whipping is... without a post of any kind? Okay, that's odd, she's just being held by her arms by two guards while the other whips her, odd, but okay, I would have preferred a random post of some sorts with her tied or chained, but okay, Ramon is just experimenting or on a low budget, but hey, at least that budget went to an outdoors film!

Now comes the carrying, oh my, they make hear wear her tunic again, that might have some split opinions, but that will make for another cool stripping scen- two guards are helping her carry the cross... they're not even trying to hide it... and the cross is another thin toothpick. Okay, but at least the rest will be good. Okay, the stripping down is great, the nailing has weird sounds added in post-production and isn't as good looking but it's still decent. They are lifting her up- oh, they cut it out... wait, it's over already? She's also barely moving? At least she tried to kind of breath with a hopeless look but... did they remove the suffering scene and just rush to the accepting her fate and death? Wait, her feet were nailed one on top of the other, why are they side by side now? What continuity error is this!?

Yeah, Roman movie was a bit of a letdown. Don't get me wrong, the actress was good looking, heck, I even think her face is the definition of "female christ", but the other small details also count a lot, and their absence or downgrades were noticeable. The pacing was really rushed, since they added the arrest scene (which felt longer than it actually is), two more minutes of suffering would have helped, but that's the weird thing, the arrest feels really long and the rest is rushed.

Sadly, there has been potential to top the passion of the christa, but either for budget or creative choices (I dunno, maybe spending more on a model that looks like she could be on a magazine cover), Ramon's films look more like glorified photoshoots and actual films that tell a story or show actions using the full potential of audio-visual media.

Tomorrow we will dive deeper into the aftermath of the christa film, what has been of Bruna, Ramon, POAG, and what about the future.
Before I end, thanks for reading and enjoying this thread, I really appreciate you doing so even with my weird english and eye bleeding spelling errors. It has been an honor to share all of this research and thoughts with you, and as always...

Stay tuned!
 
About Ramon's christa
Part 4B: Why is this the favorite of many?
I read some of my old posts, and man, I need to spellcheck more, that's why you should hold your excitement while write something you really want to write. Sorry if I wrote some stuff that gave you a stroke while attempting to read it.

Now, about the comparison I talked about yesterday, we will take some other of Ramon's productions, these include "Female christ in blue night I" (where is number II, I don't know, it's a myth I guess) and "If you were Jesus", and see what stuff works, what doesn't and why. Altho I wish I could compare it with, I don't know, something outdoors with an arrest and stripping scene...

This is called foreshadowing.

Keep in mind, Ramon is an experimental kind of artist, almost always trying to do something different, where sometimes the thing he throws to the wall works and doesn't, I don't mean to be rude, just bring some points, and if I get heated up on a topic, it's just my opinion, and I don't mean to say that his work sucks or anything, there's a lot of effort put into this.

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We will start with the blue night video, and I won't even be subtle about it, I'm not a fan of this one, I borderline despise it. For starters, the set, some props and the roman soldiers are reused, which I don't mind. Even the actress is also from Spain (as seen in a now missing behind the scenes video that I think was named "Model4.mp4 or something like that). Sometimes, the last thing you want to do is to throw all those things to the trash after investing time and money into them, so we could talk about this as some sort of "sequel" to the christa video, in an odd way, with a new model.

I don't know if Ramon released more of this, but the current available version on vimeo is all we have, and what is it? A really long video about a photoshoot, because the actress is so still that I wonder if she was just a statue, she isn't even bothered, she just seems kinda lost looking around. The only time there was some action was on the raising of the cross, she makes a pain noise, the original sounds stops there, and all we have is around 10 minutes of nothing. This is like the first "Goddesses" video, but those were short and fast paced, this one is overstaying it's welcome.

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(A really bad drawing illustrating my point, kind of exaggerated, but you get it)

Remember I said Bruna's height was a big plus for her film? Well, it's the opposite here, she is too tall for this cross, her arms aren't stretched at all, heck, she doesn't look like she's hanging, if she had to look like that, she would need to sort of "kneel" like most cruxdreams models, where the limbs aren't that stretched as christa's, but they take this into an advantage to wiggle around, which this actress doesn't do, SHE'S SO FREAKING TALL AND STILL.

Sorry, I lost my cool there. Don't get me wrong, the model is pretty, maybe the un-stretched arms are a thing only I hate, but this one would have been better as just a photoshoot, the video is kind of a waste of time.

Now, for the other production, I think it's the closest thing to what christa did, at least in the technical aspect, original sound, the via crucis stages shown are the same as christa's with an odd justification (a woman imagines herself in the position of Christ), the remastered version has full color, and the model isn't too bad. In general it's a decent video, but there are two things that keep it from being way better. The actress doesn't show much pain or struggle to stay alive, granted, she does have a distressed face, but it's a "oh no, I lost my bus" kind of face, not a "I'm about to die" face. And the next one, that applies to most Ramon's later videos: The cross looks really flimsy.

Granted, the cross in christa and maybe blue night was so heavy that it required two guards to lift it and some sort of cart to help carry it.
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But... why this downgrade? Is it experimental? The cross from christa was lost or was too far away from new sets? I don't know, but this is a really big downgrade. It doesn't look like it will hold the victim, with really thin planks, it would take just some wiggling and bang, it will snap. Maybe this isn't actually the case, but at least visually, that's the effect given.

But another film that had the potential to surpass the passion of the christa, as foreshadowed before, is Roman movie. Man did that film create some expectations with that arrest scene, with three guards HOLY CRAP, NOW she is outnumbered, altho it felt like a soap opera with the corny sad music (at least it wasn't some distracting goofy music that didn't fit), it was a step in the right direction. The actress doesn't seem as short as Bruna, but the guards are way taller than her, okay, good. Then came a stripping scene, OKAY, now we are talking. And the whipping is... without a post of any kind? Okay, that's odd, she's just being held by her arms by two guards while the other whips her, odd, but okay, I would have preferred a random post of some sorts with her tied or chained, but okay, Ramon is just experimenting or on a low budget, but hey, at least that budget went to an outdoors film!

Now comes the carrying, oh my, they make hear wear her tunic again, that might have some split opinions, but that will make for another cool stripping scen- two guards are helping her carry the cross... they're not even trying to hide it... and the cross is another thin toothpick. Okay, but at least the rest will be good. Okay, the stripping down is great, the nailing has weird sounds added in post-production and isn't as good looking but it's still decent. They are lifting her up- oh, they cut it out... wait, it's over already? She's also barely moving? At least she tried to kind of breath with a hopeless look but... did they remove the suffering scene and just rush to the accepting her fate and death? Wait, her feet were nailed one on top of the other, why are they side by side now? What continuity error is this!?

Yeah, Roman movie was a bit of a letdown. Don't get me wrong, the actress was good looking, heck, I even think her face is the definition of "female christ", but the other small details also count a lot, and their absence or downgrades were noticeable. The pacing was really rushed, since they added the arrest scene (which felt longer than it actually is), two more minutes of suffering would have helped, but that's the weird thing, the arrest feels really long and the rest is rushed.

Sadly, there has been potential to top the passion of the christa, but either for budget or creative choices (I dunno, maybe spending more on a model that looks like she could be on a magazine cover), Ramon's films look more like glorified photoshoots and actual films that tell a story or show actions using the full potential of audio-visual media.

Tomorrow we will dive deeper into the aftermath of the christa film, what has been of Bruna, Ramon, POAG, and what about the future.
Before I end, thanks for reading and enjoying this thread, I really appreciate you doing so even with my weird english and eye bleeding spelling errors. It has been an honor to share all of this research and thoughts with you, and as always...

Stay tuned!
Goddammit, you get me deeply engrossed in this highly intellectual crux criticism and then you knock me off my couch laughing at your stick figure juxtaposition. 10/10 post
 
Goddammit, you get me deeply engrossed in this highly intellectual crux criticism and then you knock me off my couch laughing at your stick figure juxtaposition. 10/10 post
What can I say, humor is one of my tools to vent without being too aggresive. I had my blood boiling when doing that comparison. It's an absurd way to materialize my need to show someone the pictures of the two actresses and yell as if I were sargent hartman: "Look at this!!! Which one of them look like is suffering???!!! Does the one on the right look like she is suffering? DOES SHE???!!".
 
Goddammit, you get me deeply engrossed in this highly intellectual crux criticism and then you knock me off my couch laughing at your stick figure juxtaposition. 10/10 post
Somehow he totally captured the vibe of both so well too!
 
About Ramon's christa
Epilogue 5: Aftermath​

Let's start with the short deal. I wish I had found more about Bruna and if she had published anything that could have anything to do about her thoughts on her role as Christa. The last hope was a social media named "Tuenti", really popular in Spain... and it turned out it shut down back in 2016, so any hope of getting that information is pretty much dead. We might never know Bruna's thoughts on the passion of the christa, but hey, she seemed to be having a blast while recording.

After that, she did a small role in a crime/thriller/drama film from 2008 about the hunt of a murderer. This had more budget, but it's also got mediocre reviews.
Remember when I said it would be a hilarious coincidence if Bruna's character died in the corny rom-com? Well, that's because... in the thriller film she is just mentioned as a victim of the murderer... not a single second or word on screen (bruh), just some pictures that appear on the background with few close-ups of these, where I honestly can't tell who is Bruna's character and who is not. If her character died in the rom-com, it would mean Bruna's short career of three films all end with her dying.
Poor Bruna, as an actress she can't escape death, first is unknown, second by crucifixion, and then by a serial killer.

She isn't credited for the passion of the christa in movie databases, you could imagine why after all I told you, not wanting to be associated with this film at least in the public eye, a choice that can be understandable, and/or since she isn't in the (rare) credits of the film, she couldn't be credited.

There is a gap between Bruna's last production in 2008 and her first internet activity around 2019 (Maybe she has more roles but uncredited just like passion of the christa?), where she made some social media, but don't get high expectations, these are mostly for her current job related to pedagogy, babysitting, teacher and taking care of groups of kids. Oddly enough, she has offered math classes, kind of a coincidence if we keep in mind Ramon also had a teacher job with math. Also, she knows Spanish, French and Catalonian, to which I can just say, wow, she's not only good at acting, but also good at languages.

At an age around 39, she seems to love her job, and I'm glad for her. It looks like she has moved on from acting, but she's happy with her current life.
This is the only picture I feel can be shared of her currently without hurting her privacy.

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In the cruxfoundation forums, even tho Ramon seemed to not understand why she was so popular, he stated some years later that he would have liked to work with her again, but she got fat. I mean, I can't fact check that, I can just say... meanie! >: (
At this point, I find it impossible for her to return to anything like the passion of the christa, and maybe it's for the best for her life and her job, also, it's unsure if she made a family, but it wouldn't be too crazy if she did. All I can say is, good luck to Bruna, I wish her the best in the noble task she has taken or anything else she decides to do later on.

As for Ramon... well...
Recently, the POAG thread has been heating a little, with some really heavy criticism of the latest productions.

Ramon would work on more experimental films, he would get more beautiful supermodel-ish models, and even tho it may be aesthetically pleasing, at least for me it breaks the concept of a female crucifixion, since not all, but a lot of these more "glamorous" models don't seem too bothered to even act like they are suffering, returning to the first videos that were more of a "glorified photoshoot". Heck, they even made the same casting choice of getting a model who has arms so much longer than the cross (or casting a cross too small for the actress, both of them kind of make sense), which I don't think I need to repeat how much that boils my blood!!!! dkkqidhelficjwjfbc9w9283iwocj@&$#[@<3ieuucgj×*@*#,#

Also, the crosses stayed the same, if not, were the same: think toothpicks that look fragile and not too tall.

Ramon would have to launch another site besides passionofagoddess.com, and that would be femalechristinarts.com, which is now extinct, which is odd. The website maintenance has to be quite expensive and the reason the latter is missing today, but passionofagoddess.com is still up, without a single update but up. Ramon would preffer to host his videos somewhere way cheaper than a custom website, and that would be on vimeo around 2016. His prices aren't exactly cheap, they're just for rent for some days, but on the brightside, now we get the movie and some extra clips for the same price one clip was worth back in the day. Yeah, some of the videos make you feel scammed (I'm looking at you 3 second clip from woman on crucifix), but that's not my point right now.

The films portraying stages of the via crucis became fewer and fewer. There was just one new production with actors, chairoscuro crucifix I, in the middle of a huge gap. There even was a good amount of time where Ramon was inactive around 2020, people even thought he died on the pandemic or got really bad and quit POAG. Fortunately, he seems to be alright, altho I wonder if he is good financially. His latest productions from 2021 onwards have gotten more formulaic, being a studio photoshoot that seems to have a crew of just him and the model, with the video just being, again, a glorified photoshoot, since as an audiovisual product it lacks a lot of the audio (with music being ok to meh), and the visual is just a model having still poses/faces and breathing. This is not bad, it looks like something cheaper in production value (I doubt this kind of production pays itself), but still having good results as pictures and other media related to photo, but as a film, not really, it's more like the film is a promotion for the photoshoot than the other way around.

I haven't touched on his 3D animations, since I haven't watched them. Mad respect to him for getting into 3D animation, which is some heavy duty and a nightmare for a single person (I have had traumas with 3D animation myself), but honestly, from the trailers, the weird audio editing and the 3D models of the women falling on the uncanny valley make me not really want to watch them, but that's just my opinion.

What can we expect for the future? Not much really, that's why I said the passion of the christa was a lightning in a bottle, since a lot of factors (budget, actress, crew, etc.) coincided to make the short film we all know and love. Nowadays, Ramon's budget must be really limited (I would think the pandemic hit him hard too), thus explaining these more simple productions he has made recently.

I know it sounds sad, but at least we can be glad it happened. The current UDH version of the passion of the christa is the definitive way to watch it (with the warm tones being a nice bonus in case you are a fanboy of this film like me), yeah, it's the price of a liver, but worth it at least once if you haven't watched it, since it has all you would want (except a missing carrying the cross behind the scenes with original sound, if you're reading this Ramon, c'mon, don't be mean, I know you always had two cameras, could you upload the other one? Pretty please?).

It's best if we don't make astronomical expectations of Ramon making another passion of the christa or roman movie in terms of production value, since it seems he will just stick to photoshoots, but who knows, maybe what I said will age like milk and suddenly Ramon drops another more narrative film with the via crucis stages and more acting than modeling.

For now, other productions will take the torch. Seditiosa is one that seems the most promising, and makes one wish this could be possible with more interpretations of this topic with more variants for every taste so team loincloth and team nude can finally make peace. Just one last thing, even tho I support constructive criticism towards artists, we also have to not become entitled people, demanding our specific tastes in female crucifixion to be put on camera or we riot. If that attitude continues, I wouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to touch this topic in film, not because of it's potential controversy for portraying women in crucifixion, but because the potential target audience gets really snippy when their fantasy isn't realized letter by letter.

To end on a more positive note, I have to thank you guys for joining me in this dive into this beloved short film, it has been a ride to share all my discoveries, opinions and stuff that a fanboy would notice after countless rewatches. It's kind of sad for me to end this, it's just been a week but it feels like more time. Feel free to share opinions, what fun fact or anything has surprised you, or heck, even if you disagree with my opinion or find more/better info, this thread welcomes it. And also, thank you for tolerating my sometimes cringeworthy grammar and spelling, I don't deserve this much patience.

And, well, if you want to continue the fun about POAG (outside of the commercial thread that's for commercial stuff only, duh), I have some ideas, like making POAG tier lists, more discussion, or whatever, I'm more than willing to keep the POAG talk alive on this forum.

With that, I end this unnecessarily deep analysis of Ramons's christa, hoping we can tune in again sometime soon.
See ya!
 
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I've been waiting for the whole thread to be completed to comment and let me tell you I loved it from beginning to end.

Since this is open to opinions, I'll give my unnecessary opinion.

About Ramon's christa
Part 4B: Why is this the favorite of many?​
Art is subjective, so I can't speak for others, but in my case specifically I consider it my favorite for being the only short film I found that covered almost everything that a female via crucis entailed, let me explain, as a child I was a fan of the whipping scenes, and seeing the film of the passion of christ as a child only increased it, hell! I had thought that was taking it to the next level of humiliation, I mean, not only was the condemned whipped hard but he was also forced to carry a heavy cross while still being whipped and then nailed to that cross half naked along with a crown of thorns, that makes me think that the Romans were too creative or maybe sadistic (maybe I'm just digressing) back to the point this made me interested in the crucifixion topic too, so I also started to look for another point that I found very interesting, which was the female crucifixion, I wanted to see that same humiliation but reflected in a woman (which I found very erotic and at the same time a challenge or something curious as it can be considered a taboo in a way) the point is that it took me a lot to find a video like a female version of christ, until fortunately I found the best and left me shocked, was nothing more and less than the passion of Christa, had basically everything I was looking for (scourging, coronation, carrying the cross, nailed, etc).

I didn't see that experimental short in 2005 since I was 5 years old, but I did see it some time later even though I was still a kid, and it was incredible, in fact I'm glad to find out now that the girl's name is Bruna and know something more about her, something that made me give a lot of value to that short was that Bruna acted very well (I even believed that she was really nailed) and she was very cute (in fact I had a crush on her), although what I loved about her was how she acted under the whip, it was incredible and I found it quite erotic to see her in that position being whipped in just that loincloth, and although later I saw other productions that dealt with female crucifixion, for me the passion of Christa is unsurpassed, i add more value to christa's passion for being one of the few or the only one that represented an almost complete female via crucis together with a pretty girl who acted really well (even i really thought she was enjoying it or was suffering, who knows), almost all the productions I had seen were of girls just hanging on a cross, they skipped the scourging scene, the scourging scene was not that good, they skipped the carry of the cross or the nailing, which is not bad but when I found the passion of Christa I just found everything I was looking for about a female roman crucifixion.

Now comes the carrying, oh my, they make hear wear her tunic again, that might have some split opinions, but that will make for another cool stripping scen- two guards are helping her carry the cross... they're not even trying to hide it... and the cross is another thin toothpick. Okay, but at least the rest will be good. Okay, the stripping down is great, the nailing has weird sounds added in post-production and isn't as good looking but it's still decent. They are lifting her up- oh, they cut it out... wait, it's over already? She's also barely moving? At least she tried to kind of breath with a hopeless look but... did they remove the suffering scene and just rush to the accepting her fate and death? Wait, her feet were nailed one on top of the other, why are they side by side now? What continuity error is this!?

Yeah, Roman movie was a bit of a letdown. Don't get me wrong, the actress was good looking, heck, I even think her face is the definition of "female christ", but the other small details also count a lot, and their absence or downgrades were noticeable. The pacing was really rushed, since they added the arrest scene (which felt longer than it actually is), two more minutes of suffering would have helped, but that's the weird thing, the arrest feels really long and the rest is rushed.

Sadly, there has been potential to top the passion of the christa, but either for budget or creative choices (I dunno, maybe spending more on a model that looks like she could be on a magazine cover), Ramon's films look more like glorified photoshoots and actual films that tell a story or show actions using the full potential of audio-visual media.
In fact I liked that part, I thought it was super sexy to see how they undressed her to leave her only in her loincloth with those whip marks and then be nailed to the cross, and I agree with you, that girl is basically seeing a female Christ and also that the movie was a wasted potential that gave for much more, although I still liked that movie.

I have seen several of Ramon's works that I think are very good and at least he is appreciated for doing this kind of projects, I have seen others like cruxdreams that I also think are good, and now with the project that has the movie of seditiosa I just hope it does well and can be at the same level of epicity or even more than the one that had the passion of Christa.

Btw again thanks for this great analysis, you are a great researcher! ¡Eres grande!
 
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Thank you all for the positive feedback! If things go well, I might do a tier list later (the "& more" in the title wasn't just for decoration), but for now, really, thank you.
Btw again thanks for this great analysis, you are a great researcher! ¡Eres grande!
Man... the spanish is so appreciated, ¡Gracias!
As a bonus, here's something I said I would try to share before.

Christa eyebrow rise doesn't exist, it can't hurt you
Christa eyebrow rise:
 
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