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messaline said:
As we're in History, everybody know "Jeanne d'Arc" but who knows "Jeanne Hachette" ?
Not really a warrior'woman but ,in one occasion, she knew to be !:clapping:

Jeanne Hachette

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Bronze statue of Jeanne Hachette in Beauvais, by Gabriel-Vital Dubray

Jeanne Laisné (born 1456) was a French heroine known as Jeanne Fourquet and nicknamed Jeanne Hachette ('Jean the Hatchet'). She was the daughter of a peasant. [1]


All that she is currently known for is an act of heroism on 27 June 1472, when she prevented the capture of Beauvais by the troops of Charles the Bold, Duke of Burgundy. The town was defended by only 300 men-at-arms, commanded by Louis de Balagny.


The Burgundians were making an assault, and one of their number had actually planted a flag upon the battlements, when Jeanne, axe in hand, flung herself upon him, hurled him into the moat, tore down the flag, and revived the drooping courage of the garrison. In gratitude for this heroic deed, Louis XI instituted a procession in Beauvais called the "Procession of the Assault", and married Jeanne to her chosen lover Colin Pilon, loading them with favours.[2] As of 1907, there was still an annual religious procession on 27 June through the streets of Beauvais to commemorate Jeanne's deed. [3]



And the only oeuvre existing about her , I think ...

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French heroines are so sexy :rolleyes:
 
phlebas said:
You can't know how wonderful it is typing the words "burghal hidage" here!
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this girl's had her fair share of burghal hidage too -
now I come here to get my hidage rigorously assessed and sorely taxed! :devil:
 
Barbaria1 said:
French heroines are so sexy :rolleyes:
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Of course it would be très gauche for me to mention at this point
the Welsh warrior woman Jemima Niclas (Nicholas), aka Jemima Fawr, 'big Jemima'.

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When the French last invaded Britain, in 1797, she led the women of Pembrokeshire into battle.
Armed with a pitchfork she captured 12 French soldiers who were drunk at the time.
The remainder surrendered soon after in the local hostelry, the Royal Oak in Fishguard.
Their excuse was they thought these scary people in red cloaks and tall black hats were the British Grenadiers! :D
 
The gunpowder age certainly gave more opportunities for women to take the field of arms. One such was Christian 'Kit' Cavanagh (also known by her married name of Davies) who served as an footsoldier before enlisting with the 4th Royal North British Dragoons (better known to history as the Scots Greys) . Having joined the colours to follow her somewhat deadbeat husband she was found out but served as a Sutler on the strength of the 1st Foot.

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Interesting a search for Lady Dragoon turned up a lot of warrior women with their dragons so not entirely a waste then :D

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Difficult to read about unknown girls with manful spirit. More regional novels in every country, call them para-history.
Short and compact texts because too much attention is not allowed in the progress of this topic.
In every case our English writers successfully know their official and para-history well!

When asked, the real Jeanne never existed. She is a mythos, she existed only in (falsification) protocols from the English inquisition. So I read once. But she was arrested by the Burgundians in Compiègne, she also had family. Where begins the thumb sucking? What is real, a nucleon?

In the XXth C Jeanne is spiritual goddess for Left, Right and Jews (Michel Winock in his book). And this is the apotheosis of the mythos.

Thus we are waiting for the next liberation-girl with power and courage. When crucified she has become history.
 
Fox-on-Cross said:
...When asked, the real Jeanne never existed. She is a mythos, she existed only in (falsification) protocols from the English inquisition. So I read once. But she was arrested by the Burgundians in Compiègne, she also had family. Where begins the thumb sucking? What is real, a nucleon?...
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About what Jeanne are you talking ? Jeanne of Arc ?
Yes, in her case, it could persist a doubt, not about her existence, but about her origine : some Historians are thinking now that she was born in a

noble family, not a female shepherd ...


Fox-on-Cross said:
In the XXth C Jeanne is spiritual goddess for Left, Right and Jews (Michel Winock in his book). And this is the apotheosis of the mythos.
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Concerning Michel Winock, he only wrote about a Jeanne, living during the 20th century and certainly not about another Jeanne ...
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Never mind, people needs, in some circumstances, to have some Heroines coming to save them ...

Fox-on-Cross said:
Thus we are waiting for the next liberation-girl with power and courage. When crucified she has become history.
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Have you not ? :D

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Naraku said:
One woman who did lead an army against the Romans and, for a time at least, succeeded in carving out her own empire in the East, was Queen Zenobia of Palmyra.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenobia#
Unfortunately, like Boudica, her victory was short lived. Her ultimate fate is unknown. But, for our purposes, she could have wound up on a cross.
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probably did :rolleyes:
 
Naraku said:
One woman who did lead an army against the Romans and, for a time at least, succeeded in carving out her own empire in the East, was Queen Zenobia of Palmyra.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenobia#
Unfortunately, like Boudica, her victory was short lived. Her ultimate fate is unknown. But, for our purposes, she could have wound up on a cross.
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The present rulers of Palmyra would certainly have arranged a sticky end for her,
and put it on video :(
 
Naraku said:
Her ultimate fate is unknown
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Not an expert on her but there seem to be competing accounts.
Most accounts apparently agree that she was presented in a Triumph in Rome. One account says she already died before on the way due to illness or hunger strike. One account says she was beheaded. Another says she was spared and lived out her life as a trophy. Some say there were actually descendants of her daughters married off to Romans.

In other words, it's high time someone on CruxForums wrote the definitive and final narration of her fate. If anybody knows, it has to be someone here ;)
 
malins said:
Not an expert on her but there seem to be competing accounts.
Most accounts apparently agree that she was presented in a Triumph in Rome. One account says she already died before on the way due to illness or hunger strike. One account says she was beheaded. Another says she was spared and lived out her life as a trophy. Some say there were actually descendants of her daughters married off to Romans.

In other words, it's high time someone on CruxForums wrote the definitive and final narration of her fate. If anybody knows, it has to be someone here ;)
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Well naturally I would be heavily influenced by the story indicating she married a Senator Nutenus ;)

But I do think Zenobia is a really interesting subject for a character.
 
I don't think anyone's tried an epic yet, Calderón wrote a play,
and she seems to have been a popular subject for operas, beginning with Albinoni.
She's become an iconic figure for some Syrian opposition/ expatriate groups,
as an alternative focus to the Ba'ath nationalism of Assad and the Islamism of ISIS
(one reason why the latter have been so determined to destroy Palmyra?) -
this clip from a performance of Albinoni's opera by members of the Syrian National Opera
is an intriguing sidelight on the complexity of the conflict


In western art and imagery, it seems there's a strong preference for portraying her in chains ;)

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though not always

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the third one is a photo of the then Duchess of Devonshire done up as Zenobia at a great fancy dress ball
in honour of Queen Victoria's diamond jubilee, at Chatsworth in 1897 - you can still see her gown there

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