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155 years ago today, Confederate spy, Rose O'Neale Greenhow, drowned off Cape Fear, NC, not far from where I live.

I wonder if this would be grist for a story? Rose actually captured and abused by damn Yankees before her cover-up death.;)
 
Former US President Jimmy Carter is 95 today. He is the longest-lived US President. Back in 2015, he was diagnosed with melanoma metastasized to the liver and brain, normally a death sentence, but, through the miracle of immunotherapy, he is apparently disease-free today. Whatever one thinks of his Presidency (I'll just say one could do worse and leave it at that), his post-Presidency work with Habitat for Humanity, building houses for the homeless, and his work through the Carter Center to resolve conflicts and fight diseases in the developing world is nothing but laudable. Through their efforts and those of others, Guinea worm cases have fallen from 3.5 million in 1986 to fewer than 30 in 2018. His work after leaving office earned him the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002.
 
windar said:
Former US President Jimmy Carter is 95 today. He is the longest-lived US President. Back in 2015, he was diagnosed with melanoma metastasized to the liver and brain, normally a death sentence, but, through the miracle of immunotherapy, he is apparently disease-free today. Whatever one thinks of his Presidency (I'll just say one could do worse and leave it at that), his post-Presidency work with Habitat for Humanity, building houses for the homeless, and his work through the Carter Center to resolve conflicts and fight diseases in the developing world is nothing but laudable. Through their efforts and those of others, Guinea worm cases have fallen from 3.5 million in 1986 to fewer than 30 in 2018. His work after leaving office earned him the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002.
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His presidency already seems to be another era, so long ago.
From the same era, still alive, is former French president Valéry Giscard d'Estaing (1974-1981), who is now 93. The same age as British Queen Elizabeth II has today.
 
windar said:
Former US President Jimmy Carter is 95 today. He is the longest-lived US President. Back in 2015, he was diagnosed with melanoma metastasized to the liver and brain, normally a death sentence, but, through the miracle of immunotherapy, he is apparently disease-free today. Whatever one thinks of his Presidency (I'll just say one could do worse and leave it at that), his post-Presidency work with Habitat for Humanity, building houses for the homeless, and his work through the Carter Center to resolve conflicts and fight diseases in the developing world is nothing but laudable. Through their efforts and those of others, Guinea worm cases have fallen from 3.5 million in 1986 to fewer than 30 in 2018. His work after leaving office earned him the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002.
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Rather a loser it seems. Wasn't worthy of the PP until 25 years after he became President? Barack Obama only needed ten months. :rolleyes:
 
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thehangingtree said:
If I read you correct you are referring to Obama's peace prize? Many who voted for his award have later said they regret giving the award to him...
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It is sad but true, October 2009 marked the end, perhaps forever, of the reverence and respect that used to accrue to the peace prize.

Of those who regretted their votes, it wasn't the absurdity of awarding the august prize to a 10-month President who had done nothing for peace except for some nice-sounding speeches, it was that he later took military action in Libya and Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
Praefectus Praetorio said:
It is sad but true, October 2009 marked the end, perhaps forever, of the reverence and respect that used to accrue to the peace prize.

Of those who regretted their votes, it wasn't the absurdity of awarding the august prize to a 10-month President who had done nothing for peace except for some nice-sounding speeches, it was that he later took military action in Libya and Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Without judging or shooting individual prize winners, but the committee has been criticised more than once for awarding the peace prize to people who had waged war or had been involved in terrorism before!
 
Praefectus Praetorio said:
Rather a loser it seems. Wasn't worthy of the PP until 25 years after he became President? Barack Obama only needed ten months.
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That's kind of irrelevant and unnecessary, frankly, to celebrating President Carter's achievements and his miraculous survival, which is a triumph of science in an area that I take personally. Sometimes one can let things pass without comment...
 
Carter lost to Reagan in 1980 after both the economy and the Iran hostage crisis took their tolls. I was 24 at the time and the first time I voted Republican. Jimmy Carter is and wasn't a bad man but in my view not a good president. I respect much of what he has done but when I bought my first house I paid almost 15% interest mainly because of his policies...

Still no ill will to him...
 
Most of all I don't get the obsession of some people (I won't mention names) to react to a statement about person A, whether positive or negative, by immediately citing person B. A's good deeds aren't greater or lesser because of B and A's crimes aren't excused by real or imagined misdeeds of B. "What aboutism" is just a fool's refuge...
 
windar said:
That's kind of irrelevant and unnecessary, frankly, to celebrating President Carter's achievements and his miraculous survival, which is a triumph of science in an area that I take personally. Sometimes one can let things pass without comment...
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As you could have my comment.

I thought I was clearly criticising the award committee in 2009, seven years after Carter's well-deserved prize. I apologize that my sarcasm was so obtuse to some.
 
windar said:
Most of all I don't get the obsession of some people (I won't mention names) to react to a statement about person A, whether positive or negative, by immediately citing person B. A's good deeds aren't greater or lesser because of B and A's crimes aren't excused by real or imagined misdeeds of B. "What aboutism" is just a fool's refuge...
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It is true that some people get worked up over nothing.
 
connoisseurs said:
He was a very good political realist, but not a model for peace-orientated statemanship. His politic was very imperialistic and his motto was (not literally): speak gently, but have a big bludgeon at hand. Then you will go places.
As I said, he was no man of peace as Nobel demanded.
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I am not sure that was actually what the Peace Prize demands, the criteria is have effected an action that contributed to world peace. Specifically it aims to promote efforts at arms reduction, dialogue between nations and the resolution of specific conflicts.

So TR for the Treaty of Portsmouth resolving the Russo-Japanese War, Gorbachev for reducing the world stockpile of nuclear weapons and yes even Yassir Arafat for the Camp David Agreement. I would agree that Obama did little to earn his peace prize under the criteria of the award but subsequent military actions nor prior do not invalidate awards. Nobel it should be remembered made the money for the prize from the production of explosives and military firearms propellants. He realised that to encourage peace he would need to deal with men (and later women) who had to deal with a real and all too often violent world. The path to peace being incremental steps not impossible standards.
 
Praefectus Praetorio said:
155 years ago today, Confederate spy, Rose O'Neale Greenhow, drowned off Cape Fear, NC, not far from where I live.

I wonder if this would be grist for a story? Rose actually captured and abused by damn Yankees before her cover-up death.;)
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If you used writers privilege and expounded on her abuse it might make for an interesting read. Keep up the good work. I am currently planning a memorable Halloween party with the girls. Doing research and taking notes it may develop into a semi fictional story not about crux but sensual none the less.
 
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