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Eulalia said:
Interesting, and frequently recycled, but wrong.
Easter is a Germanic word - Middle English Ester, Eestour, from Old English ēastre, cognate with Old High German ōstarūn, and related to Ēostre, Ēastre, name of a goddess and her festival that was celebrated at the vernal equinox, from Proto-Germanic *Austrǭ, cognate with 'East', obviously associated with sunrise. Ishtar was an East Semitic goddess worshipped from the Bronze Age onward; Astarte (Greek: Ἀστάρτη, Astártē) is the Hellenized form of Astoreth, the Northwest Semitic form of Ishtar. There is no connection between the two.
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Wow.... I'm an amateur historian and I love this stuff. Continue please.
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Eulalia said:
Interesting, and frequently recycled, but wrong.
Easter is a Germanic word - Middle English Ester, Eestour, from Old English ēastre, cognate with Old High German ōstarūn, and related to Ēostre, Ēastre, name of a goddess and her festival that was celebrated at the vernal equinox, from Proto-Germanic *Austrǭ, cognate with 'East', obviously associated with sunrise. Ishtar was an East Semitic goddess worshipped from the Bronze Age onward; Astarte (Greek: Ἀστάρτη, Astártē) is the Hellenized form of Astoreth, the Northwest Semitic form of Ishtar. There is no connection between the two.
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There is a lot of sloppy scholarship out there, especially on the Internet. Fortunately, there is Eul to keep us sorted. :beer-toast1:

So, we go out and enslave and crucify all the Ishtar supporters then, yeah?
Did I perhaps miss the point? :rolleyes::doh:
 
Jollyrei said:
There is a lot of sloppy scholarship out there, especially on the Internet. Fortunately, there is Eul to keep us sorted. :beer-toast1:

So, we go out and enslave and crucify all the Ishtar supporters then, yeah?
Did I perhaps miss the point? :rolleyes::doh:
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oh crucify them anyway....!! that's what we're here for.... ;)
 
There's a very potent legend of Inanna - Ishtar - Astarte, It survives in Sumerian and Akkadian versions - essentially, she goes down into Kur, 'the land from where no-one returns' to remonstrate with her sister Ereshkigal, Queen of the Dead. To gain entry, she has to pass through 7 gates, and at each gate the gatekeeper removes one of her body ornaments or garments, ending with her loincloth, so that when she reaches her sister she is naked. Her sister, and the judges of the dead, are enraged by her complaint, and orders her to be locked in a dungeon, hung on a hook (crucified?), and subjected to 60 torments, bringing pain to every part of her body. While she is in the underworld, all sexual activity among humans and animals dries up and ceases, so Ninshubar, Ishtar's maidservant, is sent who uses magical means to persuade Ereshkigal to release Ishtar - water of life is poured on her, she revives and sets off back, her clothes are returned at the gates and life on earth returns to normal.

181px-Ishtar_vase_Louvre_AO17000-detail.jpg Ishtar on a vase in the Louvre

This legend has faint parallels with the Easter story (especially the non-biblical elaborations where Christ goes down to Hell to release the souls imprisoned there), and with others like Persephone, and Orpheus and Eurydice, but the tale of Ishtar is so sexy, with the stripping (cf the dance of the seven veils) and the torture hung on a hook! :devil:
 
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Eulalia said:
This legend has faint parallels with the Easter story (especially the non-biblical elaborations where Christ goes down to Hell to release the souls imprisoned there), and with others like Persephone, and Orpheus and Eurydice, but the tale of Ishtar is so secy, with the stripping (cf the dance of the seven veils) and the torture hung on a hook! :devil:
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Thanks for all this interesting stuff, Eul.
There are more underworld tales. The Finnish mythology (the Kalevala) for instance (Lemminkainen's tragic descent). probably such tales are in the Irish mythology, we have Dante's Inferno as a more recent version.

Just read all this mythology! In the underworld, there is toement, and mostly someone else is needed as a guide or to retrieve the person stuck in there. Underworld exists, it is a place between our ears, where we end up, when mourning goes wrong. Mourning is intended to keep on living after a loss of a beloved one, but when things cannot be put in the right order, e.g. when something crucial is missing in the mourning process, like not having been able to say goodbye or you feel you have not done enough for the deceased or so, grief forces you to stand still, look behind and run back. Running straight into underworld.
 
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