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Darkprincess69

High Priestess of Slaanesh
Black Panther I suppose is "woke", so it must have bombed right?

Black Panther was certainly woke, but it was also pretty good (though nowhere near as good as the media say it was), but more significantly, it arrived just before the movie studios started going off on their anti-consumer tirades. If it were released today, it would not do anything like as well as it did at the time, because insulting your audience is never a good business plan
I hope they'll come out the other side looking healthier.
Well if they drop the anti-consumer culture and start paying attention to what their customers actually want, then they still have a chance to turn this around. If not, then entertainment will continue to be a steaming pile of woke garbage for a generation - by which time the market will have changed so much that the present day business models will no longer be relevant anyway.

DA is just one more body to add to the ever-growing dead pile
 

KageKamen

Tribune
Well if they drop the anti-consumer culture and start paying attention to what their customers actually want, then they still have a chance to turn this around. If not, then entertainment will continue to be a steaming pile of woke garbage for a generation - by which time the market will have changed so much that the present day business models will no longer be relevant anyway.

DA is just one more body to add to the ever-growing dead pile
Do you really think that the wokeness is not a response to consumer desire? It's a big market - don't assume it won't win. Or that the results if it does won't be better overall.
 

windar

Teller of Tales
For the record, I'm not a big consumer of popular culture. I mostly read books, do outdoors stuff and write really bad stories that I post on sites like this. For TV I stick with Seinfeld, though I'm kind of getting into The Office lately. And baseball. I am on 1 social media site if CF is a social media site, otherwise it's 0.

Everyone is entitled to like or hate any work of art, movie, book, etc. , but when it comes to investing and business, numbers matter. And the numbers don't support DP's arguments in the slightest. I posted above that Disney stock is up 4.5x in 10 years, which beats the market handily. And in the last year, it recovered from Covid very quickly and is around an all time high. If DP thinks that by following her advice they would do better, I would encourage her to write to the CEO and the Board and put them on a sounder course.

That's all I have to say on the topic. My screeds are short...
 

Darkprincess69

High Priestess of Slaanesh
Do you really think that the wokeness is not a response to consumer desire? It's a big market - don't assume it won't win. Or that the results if it does won't be better overall.
Wokeness is NOT a response to what the public want. It is a response to the insane outrage mobs on twit-twat, 99.9% of which don't even consume the product anyway. By any reasonable measure, woke marketing is failing at every turn, and one day, corporations will be forced to go back to actually running a business model that makes money, rather than pandering to destructive weirdos on social media. Every time someone bends the knee to those losers, they gain more and more power. As a result of that we now have Orwellian levels of censorship, cancel culture, and institutionalised hatred of certain demographics that has not been seen in the west since the 1930s.

These retards want to stifle free speech, freedom of expression and general tolerance of other opinions, and the only reason it's had some success is through fear of cancellation by the mob. This MUST stop, and in fact it's easy to stop if you have the courage. All it takes is for people to stand up and say NO to the mob. Then, and only then, can society recover from this twisted and divisive ideology.

If DP thinks that by following her advice they would do better, I would encourage her to write to the CEO and the Board
I did, but it goes without saying that I got no response of course, but the bottom line is that Disney nor any of its affiliated companies will NEVER, EVER get a penny from me until they stop pandering to the twitter mob, they stop being racist, stop insulting their western audience while giving special thanks to the Chinese government agencies that administer the operation of the Uhigur concentration camps and stop censoring their content in stupid ways.

Oh yeah and Disney is in a LOT of financial trouble - their share price has been cratering for some time now (obviously the pandemic and subsequent lockdowns are part of the reason for this, but they were already in trouble before that - mostly as a result of the combination of Bob Iger overpaying for Fox (Very smart move from Warner Bros, who didn't really want it anyway but kept bidding against Disney to inflate the price, knowing full well that Disney was always going to spend as much as they needed in order to acquire it, which ended up being an eye-watering $71.4 billion US:eek:)

They're also under investigation by the SEC for falsely inflating their revenue figures and writing off their more succesful content as a loss in order to avoid taxation. Of course all the Disney fans (known in the industry as "the pixie dusters") are screaming "oh no, Disney would never do anything like that!" but of course if they don't, then that would make them the only big corporation on earth that doesn't :)

Add to that the long string of box office underperformances, and the fact that the company is still $64.42 billion US in debt, things are not as rosy over at the House of Mouse as Mickey would have you believe.

Any company that indulges in wokeness at the expense of common sense is dead to me, along with the franchises they are ruining. They claim to be supporting minorities but they're not. As one of their (alleged) target minorities myself, these woketards think that they're speaking for me, but they're not. All they are doing is projecting their own pathetic semse of self-loathing onto everybody else, and it's no longer washing with real people outside of the US west coast.
 

montycrusto

Slave Trader
Society has long been more diverse than its portrayal in art and culture. What you dismiss as “wokeness”, I see as a desire to support the same diversity across the arts as exists outside. This is not out of “self-loathing “ , but out of an awareness of imbalance and injustice; some folks (it seems) feel that any attempt to redress this is an appalling assault on their freedom.

Some of this anti-wokeness rhetoric originates from people who deplore the diversity itself, rather than just deploring its spread into cultural artefacts. There’s another word for such people which I won’t use, and I’m not saying anyone here is one of them. The whole debate is poisoned by such toxic ideologies and is why I avoid Facebook and Twitter like the plague that they are.

None of which, frankly, has much to do with DA and its recent purges. You can start yelling about free speech when you’re not allowed to express yourself anywhere, not when you’re booted off one website.
 

Darkprincess69

High Priestess of Slaanesh
Somehow I am reminded about those people marching through the streets of some German cities, shouting very loud 'We are the nation', while actually they represent just about the 10% of die-hard nationalists every nation has to cope with.
And that's exactly what we're seeing today :(

Just a year or two ago, there was a literal book burning at a US college - WTF????
Those who refuse to acknowledge history will be doomed to repeat it :(

As for the plague of wokeness and the censorship that results from it, there are certainly signs that things are beginning to change, starting with the video games industry (by and large, gamers have never been on board with the woke agenda anyway - they just want to have fun). Nintendo have come out and said that they will be focussed on games that are fun, and are totally owning the competition in Japan already, and this will only spread worldwide in the fullness of time, particularly in America, where Nintendo already has a much more dominant market footprint than it does here in Europe, as reported here;
 
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KageKamen

Tribune
Wokeness is NOT a response to what the public want. It is a response to the insane outrage mobs on twit-twat, 99.9% of which don't even consume the product anyway. By any reasonable measure, woke marketing is failing at every turn, and one day, corporations will be forced to go back to actually running a business model that makes money, rather than pandering to destructive weirdos on social media. Every time someone bends the knee to those losers, they gain more and more power. As a result of that we now have Orwellian levels of censorship, cancel culture, and institutionalised hatred of certain demographics that has not been seen in the west since the 1930s.

These retards want to stifle free speech, freedom of expression and general tolerance of other opinions, and the only reason it's had some success is through fear of cancellation by the mob. This MUST stop, and in fact it's easy to stop if you have the courage. All it takes is for people to stand up and say NO to the mob. Then, and only then, can society recover from this twisted and divisive ideology.


I did, but it goes without saying that I got no response of course, but the bottom line is that Disney nor any of its affiliated companies will NEVER, EVER get a penny from me until they stop pandering to the twitter mob, they stop being racist, stop insulting their western audience while giving special thanks to the Chinese government agencies that administer the operation of the Uhigur concentration camps and stop censoring their content in stupid ways.

Oh yeah and Disney is in a LOT of financial trouble - their share price has been cratering for some time now (obviously the pandemic and subsequent lockdowns are part of the reason for this, but they were already in trouble before that - mostly as a result of the combination of Bob Iger overpaying for Fox (Very smart move from Warner Bros, who didn't really want it anyway but kept bidding against Disney to inflate the price, knowing full well that Disney was always going to spend as much as they needed in order to acquire it, which ended up being an eye-watering $71.4 billion US:eek:)

They're also under investigation by the SEC for falsely inflating their revenue figures and writing off their more succesful content as a loss in order to avoid taxation. Of course all the Disney fans (known in the industry as "the pixie dusters") are screaming "oh no, Disney would never do anything like that!" but of course if they don't, then that would make them the only big corporation on earth that doesn't :)

Add to that the long string of box office underperformances, and the fact that the company is still $64.42 billion US in debt, things are not as rosy over at the House of Mouse as Mickey would have you believe.

Any company that indulges in wokeness at the expense of common sense is dead to me, along with the franchises they are ruining. They claim to be supporting minorities but they're not. As one of their (alleged) target minorities myself, these woketards think that they're speaking for me, but they're not. All they are doing is projecting their own pathetic semse of self-loathing onto everybody else, and it's no longer washing with real people outside of the US west coast.
I suppose we'll see how it turns out. But I think you overestimate how many share your views. (Though, you probably think the same of me.)
 

IgnikaMarcus

Magistrate
And that's exactly what we're seeing today :(

Just a year or two ago, there was a literal book burning at a US college - WTF????
Those who refuse to acknowledge history will be doomed to repeat it :(

As for the plague of wokeness and the censorship that results from it, there are certainly signs that things are beginning to change, starting with the video games industry (by and large, gamers have never been on board with the woke agenda anyway - they just want to have fun). Nintendo have come out and said that they will be focussed on games that are fun, and are totally owning the competition in Japan already, and this will only spread worldwide in the fullness of time, particularly in America, where Nintendo already has a much more dominant market footprint than it does here in Europe, as reported here;
Hello, fellow ClownfishTV viewer.
 

Eulalia

Poet Laureate
Staff member

Meanwhile, back on the topic of DeviantArt, it was different tonight, completely off-line. Back again now.
But there's less and less to take my attention, my total of artists I 'watch' shrinks steadily as they're picked off one by one ... :(
 

Darkprincess69

High Priestess of Slaanesh
But I think you overestimate how many share your views.
Not really - judging by the number of likes my posts in this thread are concerned, I'd say that more people agree with me than disagree. Not that this matters of course - diversity of opinion and the freedom to express it is the cornerstone of democracy. Isn't it ironic that a website based in Russia is now more of a bastion of free speech than most American ones?
(Though, you probably think the same of me.)
Not at all. I welcome all discussion and all opinions, whether I agree with them or not, as stated above :)
He's NOT the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy!
Absolute classic!


Quick update - I didn't even realise that the Golden Globes just happened (which I guess demonstrates just how done I am watching a bunch of rich elite adult pretenders fellating themselves while deriding the very people who put them where they are), but judging by this video, I'm not the only one rejecting these woketards;
I can't say I'm much of a fan of this guy's content, but he does tend to cut through a lot of the media bullshit quite well on occasion :)
 

Darkprincess69

High Priestess of Slaanesh
Hello, fellow ClownfishTV viewer.
Yeah love Kneon & Geeky (OK, of course I have the hots for Geeky - what can I say - I have a soft spot for sexy redheads :p )
 

montycrusto

Slave Trader

Meanwhile, back on the topic of DeviantArt, it was different tonight, completely off-line. Back again now.
But there's less and less to take my attention, my total of artists I 'watch' shrinks steadily as they're picked off one by one ... :(
Same. I still go on DA now and then (with my alt account), just to keep in touch etc... but many of the artist I like have been booted out like I was. Whatever the reasons ... it’s regrettable
 

Darkprincess69

High Priestess of Slaanesh
And the vast majority of people who answered you obviously thinks the same.
You can't know that for sure any more than I can. I still stand by my take on the situation. The evidence for the general public not being on board with woke marketing is overwhelming (after all, real people have far more important concerns in their real lives to worry about)

In general, the woke ideology seems to be endemic in west-coast America and New York, but the rest of the world is not on board with it. Here in the UK, the media are pushing it relentlessly but you'd be very hard pressed to find widespread support for it among the public at large, as that is real life, not bloody twitter...
 

montycrusto

Slave Trader
Here in the UK, the media are pushing it relentlessly
Seems to me that most UK media that discuss it at all, are rabidly opposed to it, not pushing it relentlessly.

I don’t see what it has to do with DA. The content they’re removing has nothing to do with “wokeness”. In fact one could just as easily say that they’re acting in a very “unwoke” fashion, by oppressing and censoring a minority (kink-artists).. kink-shaming isn’t very “woke” is it? ;)
 

Darkprincess69

High Priestess of Slaanesh
Seems to me that most UK media that discuss it at all, are rabidly opposed to it, not pushing it relentlessly.

I don’t see what it has to do with DA. The content they’re removing has nothing to do with “wokeness”. In fact one could just as easily say that they’re acting in a very “unwoke” fashion, by oppressing and censoring a minority (kink-artists).. kink-shaming isn’t very “woke” is it? ;)
Some UK media outlets are more into this stuff than others. In general, newspapers like The Sun and its affiliated crap are ideological opportunists - on the one hand they call out wokeness and political correctness ruthlessly, but on the other hand, they are happy to embrace the cancel culture witch hunts associated with it (Such as their treatment of Johnny Depp, which has seriously hit their profit margins)

TV and online media, on the other hand, are insanely woke, particularly the BBC, which is also losing a ton of money as more and more people are cancelling their tv licences in protest at their constant stream of far-left extremist propaganda (not to mention the enormous backlash in response to their destruction of Doctor Who)

Of course the other problem that the BBC are facing is from the UK government, again because of their far-left bias - As a national broadcaster, the BBC is required by law to present a totally unbiased view of politics, and this has simply not been the case for most of the last decade, so they are now facing the very real possibility of having their public funding taken away, which would force them to compete on a level playing field with the rest of the broadcast media, which is probably a good thing - not that this will really matter much going forward as TV viewership in the important 18-49 demographic is down more than 40% in the UK alone in the last ten years, and among the under 30s, it's down almost 70%, with most young people getting their entertainment from the likes of Netflix, Amazon and Youtube instead.

Even BBC stalwart Russell T Davies has said that the BBC is "heading for oblivion" the way things are going right now, as reported in this video a couple of weeks ago;
 

montycrusto

Slave Trader
particularly the BBC, which is also losing a ton of money as more and more people are cancelling their tv licences in protest at their constant stream of far-left extremist propaganda
You don’t think it could have anything at all to do with the rise of competing cable and satellite channels and streaming services ?

I watched the video (and read the original Guardian article it discusses) .. there’s nothing in there about “wokeness” or “political correctness” or “diversity”.,, Russell T Davies at no point even mentions them. The BBC is suffering because of increased competition; this has got nothing to do with your fantasy of “insanely woke leftist propaganda”.

He’s not even discussing “Doctor Who”, (although the video tries to make it all about Doctor Who, so they can push their agenda, because they’re upset about the female re-casting I presume). He’s talking about BBC drama in general, and saying that while it’s in a golden age right now, it can’t last forever because of the mounting financial pressure on the BBC due to increased competition, nothing to do with people refusing to watch because of excessive wokeness or whatever. Sorry but you’re misrepresenting the situation entirely. And unlike “clownfish tv”, the BBC has a charter, and rules, and standards, and a commitment to impartiality and fair-handedness.

While certain shows and presenters may have a bias one way or the other (it goes both ways), the BBC in general is politically neutral. I would suggest it only looks like “far-left propaganda” to those who have jumped off the far-right diving board. ;)
 
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