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Costa Concordia:

Tonnage: 114,147 GT

Length:
Beam: 35.50 m (116 ft 6 in)
Draught: 8.20 m (26 ft 11 in)
Depth: 14.18 m (46 ft 6 in)

Decks: 13

Installed power:
  • 6 × Wärtsilä 12V46C
  • 76,640 kW (102,780 hp) (combined)
Propulsion:
Speed:
  • 19.6 knots (36 km/h; 23 mph) (service)
  • 23 knots (43 km/h; 26 mph) (maximum)
Capacity: 3780 passengers
Crew: 1100


RMS Titanic:

Tonnage: 46,328 GRT
Displacement: 52,310 tons

Length: 882 ft 9 in (269.1 m)
Beam: 92 ft 6 in (28.2 m)
Height: 175 ft (53.3 m) (keel to top of funnels)
Draught: 34 ft 7 in (10.5 m)
Depth: 64 ft 6 in (19.7 m)

Decks: 9 (A–G)

Installed power: 24 double-ended and five single-ended boilers
feeding two reciprocating steam engines for the wing propellers,
and a low-pressure turbine for the centre propeller;[3]
output: 46,000 HP
Propulsion: Two three-blade wing propellers and one four-blade centre propeller

Speed:
Cruising: 21 kn (39 km/h; 24 mph).
Max: 24 kn (44 km/h; 28 mph)

Capacity: Passengers: 2,435,gross
crew: 892.
Total: 3,327 (or 3,547 according to other sources)

One thing to note is that the gross registered tonnage is not weight (that is displacement tonnage as used for naval vessels) it is a measure of revenue earning volume.
The formula is 1 ton GRT = 100 cubic feet (2.83 cu.m.)
 
I'm from Venice.
Why not make a 3d render with a view of my city and the most famous boat in the world?


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... these are only the first tests ... notice the water moved by the oar and the wake of the gondola.
I read (in the New York Times, I think) that Venice is so overloaded with tourists and foreigners that housing is too expensive, and the people who live there have to move to the less expensive burbs on the mainland. One result is that the famous fish market is going under for lack of business: people come to gawk and take pictures, but there aren't enough locals to buy stuff.
 
Seems there's disarray among the 27, one journalist has tweeted in the last hour,
"I now expect the EU 27 to suggest 27 different dates for an end to any extension period" :D
The Speaker's ruling means TM can't bring back the Bill unless it's "substantially changed" -
but something I heard John Bercow say in answer to a point of order following his statement
seems to have been overlooked - asked "Could his ruling be overturned if the House voted to suspend Standing Orders?"
he replied, "Yes, that is the position." So if TM were reasonably confident of getting a majority,
she could bring back the Bill unchanged, and table a motion to suspend Standing Orders.
But that, on present showing, is a very big "if..."

I find it frustrating that 240 MPs, nearly all Labour, voted for Labour's 'alternative',
remaining in the Customs Union and Single Market,
and 242 MPs, mostly Conservative, voted for the EU/UK Agreement
(so-called 'Theresa May's deal', but it isn't)
The differences between those two proposals are real, but not all that great,
with a bit of goodwill and commonsense on both sides,
I'm sure a proposal could have been knocked together
which would get a decent majority, and be welcomed with relief by the EU.
But May and Corbyn are both pig-headed in their obstinacy,
she's wasted far too much time and effort trying to placate Brexiteers
who will never vote for anything agreed with the EU,
no matter how generous, and he's trying in vain to please a Parliamentary Party
most of whose MPs are united only in their dislike and distrust of him.
 
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Seems there's disarray among the 27, one journalist has tweeted in the last hour,
"I now expect the EU 27 to suggest 27 different dates for an end to any extension period" :D
The Speaker's ruling means TM can't bring back the Bill unless it's "substantially changed" -
but something I heard John Bercow said in answer to a point of order following his statement
seems to have been overlooked - asked "Could his ruling be overturned if the House voted to suspend Standing Orders?"
he replied, "Yes, that is the position." So if TM were reasonably confident of getting a majority,
she could bring back the Bill unchanged, and table a motion to suspend Standing Orders.
But that, on present showing, is a very big "if..."

I find it frustrating that 240 MPs, nearly all Labour, voted for Labour's 'alternative',
remaining in the Customs Union and Single Market,
and 242 MPs, mostly Conservative, voted for the EU/UK (so-called 'Theresa May's deal', but it isn't)
The differences between those two proposals are real, but not all that great,
with a bit of goodwill and commonsense on both sides,
I'm sure a proposal could have been knocked together
which would get a decent majority, and be welcome with relief by the EU.
But May and Corbyn are both pig-headed in their obstinacy,
she's wasted far too much time and effort trying to placate Brexiteers
who will never vote for anything agreed with the EU,
no matter how generous, and he's trying in vain to please a Parliamentary Party
most of whose MPs are untied only in their dislike and distrust of him.
We have the same BS here in the US... You don't have to like Donald Trump but one side of the aisle won't for a damn thing he proposes... and he kicks people from both sides of the aisle...
 
with a bit of goodwill and commonsense on both sides
Eulalia, I didn't realize you were so naive!;)
But May and Corbyn are both pig-headed in their obstinacy,
she's wasted far too much time and effort trying to placate Brexiteers
who will never vote for anything agreed with the EU,
no matter how generous, and he's trying in vain to please a Parliamentary Party
most of whose MPs are united only in their dislike and distrust of him.
Excellent analysis. But where is the way out?
 
Seems there's disarray among the 27, one journalist has tweeted in the last hour,
"I now expect the EU 27 to suggest 27 different dates for an end to any extension period"
Not so. The 27 have reached an agreement. They will get until May 22 if May's deal passes next week. If it fails, the UK will have to come back to the Council by April 12 with proposals for a way forward.

Eulalia, I didn't realize you were so naive!;)
Excellent analysis. But where is the way out?
I'm curious that the Queen has been totally silent. I know it's a constitutional monarchy and she is not supposed to get involved in politics. That's fine for ordinary political issues-the budget, statutes, etc. But when the future of the nation is at stake, what use is a Head of State who sits there? Her father didn't just sit there during the war. Juan Carlos of Spain acted when a Francoist military coup threatened Spain's nascent democracy. She has a lot of respect (justifiably) and her good offices couldn't hurt.
 
Not so. The 27 have reached an agreement. They will get until May 22 if May's deal passes next week. If it fails, the UK will have to come back to the Council by April 12 with proposals for a way forward.


I'm curious that the Queen has been totally silent. I know it's a constitutional monarchy and she is not supposed to get involved in politics. That's fine for ordinary political issues-the budget, statutes, etc. But when the future of the nation is at stake, what use is a Head of State who sits there? Her father didn't just sit there during the war. Juan Carlos of Spain acted when a Francoist military coup threatened Spain's nascent democracy. She has a lot of respect (justifiably) and her good offices couldn't hurt.
Britain will survive... She may be for Brexit... Britain out without a deal is worse for the EU than it is for the UK. I'll try to call her.
 
Agreement just reached (among the 27, TM has yet to respond):

Brexit delay agreed
The European Council has confirmed EU leaders have agreed a plan to delay Brexit from 29 March to 22 May on the condition MPs approve Theresa May's withdrawal deal next week.
Here is the final communique in full:
1. The European Council takes note of the letter of Prime Minister Theresa May of 20 March 2019.
2. In response, the European Council approves the Instrument relating to the Withdrawal Agreement and the Joint Statement supplementing the Political Declaration agreed between the European Commission and the government of the United Kingdom in Strasbourg on 11 March 2019.
3. The European Council agrees to an extension until 22 May 2019, provided the Withdrawal Agreement is approved by the House of Commons next week. If the Withdrawal Agreement is not approved by the House of Commons next week, the European Council agrees to an extension until 12 April 2019 and expects the United Kingdom to indicate a way forward before this date for consideration by the European Council.
4. The European Council reiterates that there can be no opening of the Withdrawal Agreement that was agreed between the Union and the United Kingdom in November 2018. Any unilateral commitment, statement or other act should be compatible with the letter and the spirit of the Withdrawal Agreement.
5. The European Council calls for work to be continued on preparedness and contingency at all levels for the consequences of the United Kingdom’s withdrawal, taking into account all possible outcomes.
6. The European Council will remain seized of the matter.”
 
Not so. The 27 have reached an agreement. They will get until May 22 if May's deal passes next week. If it fails, the UK will have to come back to the Council by April 12 with proposals for a way forward.


I'm curious that the Queen has been totally silent. I know it's a constitutional monarchy and she is not supposed to get involved in politics. That's fine for ordinary political issues-the budget, statutes, etc. But when the future of the nation is at stake, what use is a Head of State who sits there? Her father didn't just sit there during the war. Juan Carlos of Spain acted when a Francoist military coup threatened Spain's nascent democracy. She has a lot of respect (justifiably) and her good offices couldn't hurt.
What I wrote was true I wrote it. Things have moved on.
I've no doubt HM is in close touch with what's going on, and has ways of letting her feelings be known,
but not in public, that would be very risky. TM's attempt to 'appeal to the nation' last night
seems to have backfired pretty disastrously, even the Conservative Chief Whip says he was 'appalled'.
And when a PM falls out with the Chief Whip, things are getting very serious -
the Telegraph reports that the Chair of the 1922 Committee is going to see her tomorrow ...
 
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