Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
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windar
Teller of Tales
My eyes are bad, but it looks like the whip never makes contact. It certainly leaves no visible mark. But the actress tries hard to sell it
Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
I've seen larger format, it does make contact. It is a looped telephone wire attached to a handle. Lovely oval welts appear, especially on her small tits.My eyes are bad, but it looks like the whip never makes contact. It certainly leaves no visible mark. But the actress tries hard to sell it
messaline
Crucified Amazon
That's not in the topic of my thread and this video shows exactelly what it never is to be done !!!
Gibbs505
SERVORUM DOMITOR
I would never whip you like that!
Respect and control always.
Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
So very sorry to offend, my lady.
Crux-Emperor Baracus X
Rectidolor
nice loincloth.... mwah !!
RacingRodent
Consul
I do not think you gave offence but there is the constant issue of safety in the practice of BDSM. This is something that a lot of internet portrayals reliant as they are on camera fakery and very one off or very infrequent actors are really bad at. Perhaps Messa might consider a few safety pointers on whipping as the subject of a future thread? I know she has a lot of experience in the matter.
bellesouth
Magistrate
Somewhere in this forum is a video of just how realistic the fakery can be when it comes to whipping - a laughing, smiling model walking out of the studio following a really savage beating.
windar
Teller of Tales
In the early days of the movies, they lacked the technology to make gunfights look believable without using real bullets. According to this piece, several actors died, which led to the creation of the Screen Actors Guild https://www.civilized.life/articles/old-movies-used-real-bullets/
bakerboy
Senator
messaline
Crucified Amazon
Like said RR, no offence there but I want to notice that this kind of video can give a bad vision of BDSM ; as a Pretorian, of course that you can go to the extreme because it's only Fantasy ...
There, it's reality and never a whipping session do be allowed to end like that !
That's why i dont like this kind of video where we cant make any difference between Fantasy or Reality ...
messaline
Crucified Amazon
I already give my point of view into this thread :
http://www.cruxforums.com/xf/threads/whipping-videos-of-messaline.4439/
messaline
Crucified Amazon
But there, I dont think that it is a fakery ...
Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
Dear Lady,
I understand.
I would point out that this started when I replied to Gibbs505 #25 posting a gif of this whipping. I commented that this was one of the brutal whipping, I've seen. Windar in #42, commented that it might be fake. I replied in #43 that I'd seen it and it wasn't. Thenin #44 I posted the actual video to show its reality.
I am new to a thread like this where the host asks what others will do to her. I don't know the personalities that well. I seem to have misstepped.
In the words of Rhett Butler (GWTW) "I apologize again for all my shortcomings."
windar
Teller of Tales
I commented on the original very short gif. Seeing the longer one, I see that it is a Mood/Elite Pain movie. It is said that their productions are real, but I cannot honestly say whether that is 100% true or they use some enhancement technology, which, today, can achieve just about any effect if you spend enough money. The whipping in "12 Years a Slave" was unquestionably not real, but if you didn't know that, could you be certain?
The ethics of what Mood does is problematic. The models do volunteer and are paid; some are masochists in real life, some are not as far as I know. But the possibility of exploitation of people in difficult situations is very real.
messaline
Crucified Amazon
Dont worried you both, sometimes I'm a little "soupe au lait" ( milk soup " = someone who is easily and suddently irritated but that doesn't stay for a long time ; I've some quick anger ( often not justified ! )
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I knew the video and I knew well that it was too much hard and baddly finishing due to the Mistresses who were not able to see that it did be stopped !
...I knew the video and I knew well that it was too much hard and baddly finishing due to the Mistresses who were not able to see that it did be stopped !
willowfall
Senator
I think part of the problem with a video like this is the question of whether or not it is consensual. Depending on our personal preferences we choose to believe based on our perceptions not actually facts.
And as Messaline points out it can give a false overview of our entire community.
Neither Messaline nor I would be in a relationship with a Mistress\Master who treated us like that because we wouldn't consent to be treated like that. However, that being said since the Dear Messaline and I have never been in a session together (that we know of) I have no way of knowing if what I like she considers "too hard or violent" and she has no way to know if what she likes I consider too soft.
It is possible that the 'victim' decided that this was something she wanted to do and therefore neither myself nor Messaline should judge her about her desires. After all our desires would be considered perverse by many people.
To take it away from our community I know a woman who works for a domestic violence prevention organization. To her all sex workers are victims of a crime or oppression (usually by men). The fact that many porn producers are women, and generally women are paid more than men in the porn industry makes no impression on her. I KNOW commercial sex workers who not only don't feel abused or oppressed they are among the strongest most self-assertive women I know. They honestly enjoy their work.
One of the sex workers I know made a pretty good living (she had to get out of the industry being too "old" at 30) sitting on food (like cakes). I don't get it but she made good money smashing cakes with her butt (nice butt too).
Isn't it said "One man's perversion is another man's kinky"?
So to get to my point the long way around, as a community we need to be more tolerant of things we don't like. By that I mean we don't censor each other, if there is a conversation thread we don't like or find disturbing we should just move on. There are plenty of other things to do here. But that also means we don't go around apologizing for what we like, after all we are all here because we CAN'T have these conversations at our workplace, or on holiday with our parents or at a society cocktail party.
I know Messaline to be a strong person who will tell you when she is offended and when she has been out of line.
All bets are off if what we saw in that video was non-consensual, then it becomes a crime.
kisses
willowfall
And as Messaline points out it can give a false overview of our entire community.
Neither Messaline nor I would be in a relationship with a Mistress\Master who treated us like that because we wouldn't consent to be treated like that. However, that being said since the Dear Messaline and I have never been in a session together (that we know of) I have no way of knowing if what I like she considers "too hard or violent" and she has no way to know if what she likes I consider too soft.
It is possible that the 'victim' decided that this was something she wanted to do and therefore neither myself nor Messaline should judge her about her desires. After all our desires would be considered perverse by many people.
To take it away from our community I know a woman who works for a domestic violence prevention organization. To her all sex workers are victims of a crime or oppression (usually by men). The fact that many porn producers are women, and generally women are paid more than men in the porn industry makes no impression on her. I KNOW commercial sex workers who not only don't feel abused or oppressed they are among the strongest most self-assertive women I know. They honestly enjoy their work.
One of the sex workers I know made a pretty good living (she had to get out of the industry being too "old" at 30) sitting on food (like cakes). I don't get it but she made good money smashing cakes with her butt (nice butt too).
Isn't it said "One man's perversion is another man's kinky"?
So to get to my point the long way around, as a community we need to be more tolerant of things we don't like. By that I mean we don't censor each other, if there is a conversation thread we don't like or find disturbing we should just move on. There are plenty of other things to do here. But that also means we don't go around apologizing for what we like, after all we are all here because we CAN'T have these conversations at our workplace, or on holiday with our parents or at a society cocktail party.
I know Messaline to be a strong person who will tell you when she is offended and when she has been out of line.
All bets are off if what we saw in that video was non-consensual, then it becomes a crime.
kisses
willowfall
Praefectus Praetorio
R.I.P. Brother of the Quill
Thank you. See my post #553 in Revenge of the Pulps