This article explains that the decision was made because images involving child abuse were popping up there https://thenextweb.com/socialmedia/2018/12/03/rest-in-peace-tumblr/ Such images are hard for algorithms to detect. Even humans can't reliably tell young from too young. So, I understand it, especially when it pertains to photos as opposed to renders. I don't think there is any link with CF-this site is small enough and our moderators are diligent enough that they can keep track of what is posted. Personally, I would prefer to see CF focus more on original work by members and less on pictures found elsewhere.Whoever made this decision at tumblr is either unaware that they are shattering a relevant part of their community, or they know but don't care.
But I do not see how this should affect the Crux Forums? I agree, tumblr used to be a valuable source for the kind of images we are looking for, especially for people like me who prefer photos over renders. But there are alternatives for that (free ones, too). Give and take a few weeks/months and the people will have moved on to another platform that isn't that restrictive.
Or is there another connection between tumblr and the Crux Forums that I don't see?
This article explains that the decision was made because images involving child abuse were popping up there https://thenextweb.com/socialmedia/2018/12/03/rest-in-peace-tumblr/ Such images are hard for algorithms to detect. Even humans can't reliably tell young from too young.
Update. Over 223 500 members have now signed the petition against the changes.
And satirical stories about a certain political figure (Individual #1), even when they are very mild compared to what the news reports about him, not to mention what the Special Counsel has to say (and will have to say shortly)...The only potential 'censor' of our site is our service provider, XenForo, very liberal and non-interventionist,
so long as we keep clear of kiddie-porn. That's the one thing we have to be tough on.
Here is the reality.
As we (meaning citizens) in our individual countries hand over more and more power and responsibilities to our governments we become less free. Capitalism is the economic system MOST compatible with individual freedom and Communism the least. Political systems are based on the economic systems they embrace (thus for example idiot's delusions aside it is obvious China is NOT a capitalistic system) and as you move left ward economically you give the government more and more power over you and what you can or can not do.
This also leads to attempts to legislate 'morals'. The greatest example of this in western capitalism was Prohibition. The idea that drinking alcohol to excess is bad (which is true) therefore rather than hold individuals to account for their actions we will take away alcohol THEREFORE no one will be able to drink to excess.
And all those who were able to drink responsibly be damned (for full disclosure I don't drink any alcohol).
That didn't work out too well and was reversed.
But for god's sake , who isn't against child porn? Or human trafficking?
So now governments have an excuse to ban certain content (I believe the UK already has in place a ban on anything representing rape) and Tumblr is just trying to get out in front of getting socked right in the chops with government legal actions.
I love you D'Not but you can have 70 million signatures on that petition and it won't do any good.
The fine upstanding folks who are our neighbors won't admit to liking and looking at porn, they don't want to be 'tut-tutted' by their neighbors (who are also looking at porn), so they won't protest. If they try they will be viciously attacked by the self-appointed SJW howling mob (and that is what they are, a mob), especially if they are politicians, business people or leading members of their communities. They will be ruined by innuendo.
So Tumblr will cave, child porn\sex trafficking will move onto the dark web and we will all have a little less freedom while criminal activity continues.
The second you allow the government (or its proxies) to suppress the rights\interests of one group you give them the ability to suppress the rights of all including you.
'When the Nazis came for the Communists, I said nothing. When they came for the Jews, I said nothing, When they came for the other undesirables, I said nothing. When they came for the intellectuals, educators and free thinkers, I said nothing. When they came for me, there was nobody left to speak for me.'
Think its bad now folks? It is only going to get worse until we as a people develop some backbone and agree with Voltaire "I may detest what you say but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."
I HATE child pornographers and sex traffickers, and if they commit a crime, I'm all for punishing them. But we are perilously close to convicting and punishing people for what they think and feel and say.
And so we a community will be caught up in the backwash.
Is the Forum affected by Tumblr's decision? No.
But could we be shut down some day because the government becomes the morality police and we are deemed immoral?
YOU BETCHA!
And also from Voltaire "So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men.”
willowfall
What a Rant! And how WONDERFUL! Thank you Willow. Far bigger issues of threat to our freedom than just images on Tumbler or even the existence of CF.Here is the reality.
As we (meaning citizens) in our individual countries hand over more and more power and responsibilities to our governments we become less free. Capitalism is the economic system MOST compatible with individual freedom and Communism the least. Political systems are based on the economic systems they embrace (thus for example idiot's delusions aside it is obvious China is NOT a capitalistic system) and as you move left ward economically you give the government more and more power over you and what you can or can not do.
This also leads to attempts to legislate 'morals'. The greatest example of this in western capitalism was Prohibition. The idea that drinking alcohol to excess is bad (which is true) therefore rather than hold individuals to account for their actions we will take away alcohol THEREFORE no one will be able to drink to excess.
And all those who were able to drink responsibly be damned (for full disclosure I don't drink any alcohol).
That didn't work out too well and was reversed.
But for god's sake , who isn't against child porn? Or human trafficking?
So now governments have an excuse to ban certain content (I believe the UK already has in place a ban on anything representing rape) and Tumblr is just trying to get out in front of getting socked right in the chops with government legal actions.
I love you D'Not but you can have 70 million signatures on that petition and it won't do any good.
The fine upstanding folks who are our neighbors won't admit to liking and looking at porn, they don't want to be 'tut-tutted' by their neighbors (who are also looking at porn), so they won't protest. If they try they will be viciously attacked by the self-appointed SJW howling mob (and that is what they are, a mob), especially if they are politicians, business people or leading members of their communities. They will be ruined by innuendo.
So Tumblr will cave, child porn\sex trafficking will move onto the dark web and we will all have a little less freedom while criminal activity continues.
The second you allow the government (or its proxies) to suppress the rights\interests of one group you give them the ability to suppress the rights of all including you.
'When the Nazis came for the Communists, I said nothing. When they came for the Jews, I said nothing, When they came for the other undesirables, I said nothing. When they came for the intellectuals, educators and free thinkers, I said nothing. When they came for me, there was nobody left to speak for me.'
Think its bad now folks? It is only going to get worse until we as a people develop some backbone and agree with Voltaire "I may detest what you say but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."
I HATE child pornographers and sex traffickers, and if they commit a crime, I'm all for punishing them. But we are perilously close to convicting and punishing people for what they think and feel and say.
And so we a community will be caught up in the backwash.
Is the Forum affected by Tumblr's decision? No.
But could we be shut down some day because the government becomes the morality police and we are deemed immoral?
YOU BETCHA!
And also from Voltaire "So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men.”
willowfall
The first amendment protects the right of freedom of speech in The USA . As for other countries that right may not be protected .What a Rant! And how WONDERFUL! Thank you Willow. Far bigger issues of threat to our freedom than just images on Tumbler or even the existence of CF.
You missed the other great quote, Thomas Jefferson:
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
That is an oath that we each should take!
So true and even Mr. American rights, me, take it for granted. I am astounded when I hear of the political censorship in countries like Canada and Germany. But they do not have that freedom enshrined in their founding documents.The first amendment protects the right of freedom of speech in The USA . As for other countries that right may not be protected .
* Offer does not apply to my slaves (sorry, Sally). Always read the fine print."I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.*"