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You should take German politics with more humour, I was long in Bonn (yes I am older) and I could hardly distinguish it with the carnevals club, I naturally know Tim K. because of his love affair with Schafschan Chebli, must be some kind of SM-relation. However you should understand him, he makes his living by his books and his youtube-vids, and they are quite funny. That he is not some sort of clean Ex police man would no-one expect who has seen him.

Hrm, OK, I know the carneval in Mainz and in Trier and this is already a bit hard for a person like me who likes to see himself as "a sceptic intellectual". By the way, ever seen a "drunk sceptic intellectual carnevalist"? :godsdrink0nw:

Compared to Mainz or Trier, carneval in Bonn or Cologne is so different that I do not understand it any more because it is a completely different attitude of life there and so are some people there for me. I do not understand Chebli nor do I understand "Tim K.", who obviously was in a very wrong first profession in his life and I am glad that I do not have to understand both of them.
 
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Hrm, OK, I know the carneval in Mainz and in Trier and this is already a bit hard for a person like me who likes to see himself as "sceptic intellectual". By the way, ever seen a "drunk sceptic intellectual carnevalist"? :godsdrink0nw:
Not yet, more often seen drunken Asian guys, also people of Sweden had a hard time with very few alcohol. Visited once the "Oktoberfest" in Munich, also quite strange...
 
Marketing at its best from this German shopkeeper:

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Placing a sausage advertisement behind the shelf with the condoms - genius!

The advertisement translates to "And now something warm into the belly! - A delicous sausage! - Right here!"
 
My German word of the day: "querdenken" (= to think off the mainstream)

I used to have positive associations to that word because I believe, that thinking off the mainstream is important at times. But they have turned negative lately, since the word keeps getting abused by idiots for their cause.

In Germany, we have this movement who call themselves "Querdenker". Over the last months, they have been protesting against the anti-Corona security measures that were set up by the government. They even compared the directions passed with the national socialists' enabling act of 1933 (bullshit in my opionion, since the lockdown currently in place in Germany is rather mild compared to some of our European neighbor countries).

During a protest in Hanover last Saturday, their lack of taste reached its preliminary peak when a speaker only known as "Jana from Kassel" actually compared herself with Sophie Scholl. A man (who who had apparently been hired as a security guard for the event) publicly confronted her about this insolence and was then removed by the police.

Here is a news video of the incident (the conversation in question starts around the 0:12 time mark):

Translation of the conversation (as far as possible):
Jana: "Hello, I am Jana from Kassel. And I feel like Sophie Scholl, because I have been resisting actively for months now. I am 22 years old, the same age Sophie Scholl was when she fell victim to the national socialists. (Applause from the crowd) I cannot and I will not ever stop committing myself to freedom, peace, love and justice."
Man: (approaches the stage and hands his vest to Jana) "Here!" (the following sentence is incomprehensible)
Woman from the crowd: "Let her speak!"
Man: (turning around, facing the crowd) "I won't pose as security guard for this nonsense anymore!"
Jana: "Which nonsense?"
(At this point, three more people have approached the stage, harassing the man.)
Man: "I won't pose as security guard for this nonsense anymore! If you say things like this, you are playing down the holocaust!"
Jana: "But I did not say anything..."
Man: "For God's sake, you are mentally retarded! Mentally retarded! This is more than embarassing!"

After that, the man is led away by a total of 6 (!) armored policemen.

The only sane person being driven off by the police while the crazies are allowed to continue their ramblings. This makes me want to projectile vomit.
 
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The most embarrasing thing about those 'fighters' for freedom is, that they accuse the present political system of Germany to be a dictatorship surpressing opposing views (even if they are allowed to publicly spread their bullshit at every corner) and at the same time have no problem at all on demonstrations to join sides with fascists and neo-nazis ...

Einstein was right: human stupidity *is* infinite.
 
The most embarrasing thing about those 'fighters' for freedom is, that they accuse the present political system of Germany to be a dictatorship surpressing opposing views (even if they are allowed to publicly spread their bullshit at every corner) and at the same time have no problem at all on demonstrations to join sides with fascists and neo-nazis ...

Einstein was right: human stupidity *is* infinite.
Yes, Einstein was really right. The infinity of the universe is no different than in contrast to the statement about the infinity of human stupidity, which can be practically experienced again and again.
 
My German word of the day: "querdenken" (= to think off the mainstream)

I used to have positive associations to that word because I believe, that thinking off the mainstream is important at times. But they have turned negative lately, since the word keeps getting abused by idiots for their cause.

In Germany, we have this movement who call themselves "Querdenker". Over the last months, they have been protesting against the anti-Corona security measures that were set up by the government. They even compared the directions passed with the national socialists' enabling act of 1933 (bullshit in my opionion, since the lockdown currently in place in Germany is rather mild compared to some of our European neighbor countries).

During a protest in Hanover last Saturday, their lack of taste reached its preliminary peak when a speaker only known as "Jana from Kassel" actually compared herself with Sophie Scholl. A man (who who had apparently been hired as a security guard for the event) publicly confronted her about this insolence and was then removed by the police.

Here is a news video of the incident (the conversation in question starts around the 0:12 time mark):

Translation of the conversation (as far as possible):
Jana: "Hello, I am Jana from Kassel. And I feel like Sophie Scholl, because I have been resisting actively for months now. I am 22 years old, the same age Sophie Scholl was when she fell victim to the national socialists. (Applause from the crowd) I cannot and I will not ever stop committing myself to freedom, peace, love and justice."
Man: (approaches the stage and hands his vest to Jana) "Here!" (the following sentence is incomprehensible)
Woman from the crowd: "Let her speak!"
Man: (turning around, facing the crowd) "I won't pose as security guard for this nonsense anymore!"
Jana: "Which nonsense?"
(At this point, three more people have approached the stage, harassing the man.)
Man: "I won't pose as security guard for this nonsense anymore! If you say things like this, you are playing down the holocaust!"
Jana: "But I did not say anything..."
Man: "For God's sake, you are mentally retarded! Mentally retarded! This is more than embarassing!"

After that, the man is led away by a total of 6 (!) armored policemen.

The only sane person being driven off by the police while the crazies are allowed to continue their ramblings. This makes me want to projectile vomit.
It was reported in the Guardian (UK) and they showed the clip on their YouTube channel
I am glad that dude called out her bullshit; she is clearly NOTHING like Sophie Scholl. (Also the people who want us to wear masks to SAVE LIVES are not analogous to the nazis!) :doh:
 
My German word of the day: "querdenken" (= to think off the mainstream)

I used to have positive associations to that word because I believe, that thinking off the mainstream is important at times. But they have turned negative lately, since the word keeps getting abused by idiots for their cause.

In Germany, we have this movement who call themselves "Querdenker". Over the last months, they have been protesting against the anti-Corona security measures that were set up by the government. They even compared the directions passed with the national socialists' enabling act of 1933 (bullshit in my opionion, since the lockdown currently in place in Germany is rather mild compared to some of our European neighbor countries).
I think it is that one https://www.bgbl.de/xaver/bgbl/star...*[@attr_id='bgbl120s2397.pdf']__1606126274199. German speaking people may look for themselves.
 
Yes, Einstein was really right. The infinity of the universe is no different than in contrast to the statement about the infinity of human stupidity, which can be practically experienced again and again.
I keep being reminded of something Bertrand Russell said: “the vast majority of people would rather die, than think.”
 
I keep being reminded of something Bertrand Russell said: “the vast majority of people would rather die, than think.”
The problem with that, is that the majority most probably is not on the side of Querdenken, which would conclude us to think they are right, which I left now open. Probably we should just wait. The decision is then be done on the fact how serious this cover-thing is and how accurate the tests. What I can say from the professional point of view is, that the current government of Germany, which I am so unfortunate to knew at least one person off, are not professionally working at all.
 
What I can say from the professional point of view is, that the current government of Germany, which I am so unfortunate to knew at least one person off, are not professionally working at all.

At least they are taking Corona seriously (unlike the governments of some other countries).

But I have to agree, they could do their jobs better in many ways. They could be especially a lot more faster when deciding about anti-Corona regulations. And when regulations are finally passed, some are so paradox that it is almost hilarious. For example: In the afternoon, students in Germany must not meet with more than 1 friend at the same time. But during school hours, everyone is apparently fine with cramming 30+ students in a single class room. Honestly, I have no idea why they haven't closed the schools and switched to online classes already (like they did during the first wave in spring).

The second big issue I have with the German government handling the situation is, that the federal financial support for companies suffering with the lockdowns is anything but fair (the big ones get almost everything immediately, the small ones get almost nothing and have to wait a long time for the support). - Although I have to say that I am not really affected by that, since I have the awesome privilege that I am able to work from home 100% and that the company I work for is doing alright despite the crisis.

But the biggest problem I see are still people like "Jana from Kassel" (and the ones supporting her).
 
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In English I guess the saying would be "to think outside of the box" ... when doing so one of course has to take care, that one is not just jumping into another, smaller box ... or even a padded cell...

the notion that we are living in a 'corona dictatorship' is of course absurd, as demonstrated by the fact that those who make that claim, aren't dragged away by secret police and imprisoned, tortured, executed ...

And of course valid questions about the freedom of assembly were addressed very early on, stating that corona regulations cannot be used to announce blanket bans on demonstrations and public protests, rather these have to be given an opportunity to take place while adhering to the restrictions applying to everyone. If anything, police enforcement against protesters who deliberately and ostentatiously break the rules has been lenient.

They could be especially a lot more faster when deciding about anti-Corona regulations.
I guess since those are usually passed when "it's in the air" and everyone expects them, that is to some degree true.

However this is a situation where deciders can hardly win.

What if they decided on restrictions much earlier,
when there is only a small indication of increasing infections ... or it's only epidemiological modelling that indicates a likelihood that infections will rise? ... well then, if the regulations work, and infections stay low ... people will say the regulations were unnecessary, too early, alarmist etc.

On the other hand if they wait until the rise of infections is undeniable then it will take quite a while to see results, as all the existing cases have to work their way through the health system and virus transmissions that were already happening will only some time later show up as detected infections etc. and you may even get some voices saying again "the restrictions aren't working anyway".

Honestly, I have no idea why they haven't closed the schools and switched to online classes already (like they did during the first wave in spring).
Hmmm, I do have a bit of an idea why.

Because 'online classes', for many, do not exist...

In my son's school, (closed from the March lockdown till early June) we got one email per week with a PDF.
Then a month in, links to online multiple choice tests that had no connection to the school's curriculum.
And that was it.

Now of course one can say 'well if parents are at home they can 'pick up the slack with homeschooling'.
That is doable for instance if you are working half-time in your home office or something.
However not everybody has that option either.
Some people had to continue to work.

And also, no... the equipment to participate in videoconference education, or the necessary connection quality, isn't there for every child in school and their family either.

So this is a hard decision and I think today deciders understand more of the social downsides of simple lockdown approaches, and are reluctant to inflict it again unless there is really no other choice.

the federal financial support for companies suffering with the lockdowns is anything but fair (the big ones get almost everything immediately, the small ones get almost nothing and have to wait a long time for the support). - Although I have to say that I am not really affected by that, since I have the awesome privilege that I am able to work from home 100% and that the company I work for is doing alright despite the crisis.
Some of this is ridiculous especially for small entrepreneurs and people who just support their cost of living directly by some self-employed business. Those for instance were confronted with the rule that state support could only be used for 'cost of business' like say, rent for offices etc. but not for cost of living. So those who don't pay any relevant amount for 'corporate infrastructure' but simply work directly to live are hit hardest.

And it's also frustrating for instance for those restaurant owners who picked up a lot of money and invested in trying to provide arrangements that reduce transmission risks and now they get locked down like anyone else.

We are seeing a lot of smaller businesses going down, the services and products they offered will either be snapped up by big chains or replaced by the online giants, or just fall by the wayside. Despite her sometimes too fertile imagination, Naomi Klein has a point with her idea of the 'Shock Doctrine' ... every crisis is also an opportunity, ... in this case once again an opportunity to redistribute wealth and power to the top.

Sorry to hear that.. to me, Germany looks like utopia compared to the madness unfolding here (UK).. anyway, best wishes! We must get through this somehow!
I think so far Germany's policies have been lucky enough to avoid a catastrophic failure.
That's not due to any central genius plan though.
There have been many ways to fail with this ... some places that did very well with beating the first wave got complacent, others never really got serious despite having capability, some are too fanatically ideological, others hamstring themselves due to internal divisions and lack of trust, still others just got unlucky or hardly stood a chance.
 
"Also verstehe ich das richtig: die Antifa unterstützt die Maßnahmen von Söder und wird dafür von der Bullerei abgespritzt?
Es wird Zeit dass der Coronakram vorbei geht!"
Reader's comment on Zeit Online.
Sorry, I can't even think of how to translate and explain how hilarious this is, without writing a two page essay.
 
"Also verstehe ich das richtig: die Antifa unterstützt die Maßnahmen von Söder und wird dafür von der Bullerei abgespritzt?
Es wird Zeit dass der Coronakram vorbei geht!"
Reader's comment on Zeit Online.
Sorry, I can't even think of how to translate and explain how hilarious this is, without writing a two page essay.

I will try to and I will also try to keep it short without leaving out anything important.

The reader's comment: "Let me get this straight: The Antifa supports the actions by Söder and gets hosed away by the police in return? It is time for this Corona stuff to finally pass!"

Now my interpretation, without wanting to take any political sides. Also, I do not have any primary sources to back this up. This based on what I heard and read:
- The anti-Corona protestors (aka the "Querdenker" movement) are supported by right-wing extremists.
- The ones protesting against the "Querdenker" movement are supported by left-wing extremists (including the Antifa).
- Markus Söder is the prime minister of Bavaria (meaning, that you can't get any more conservative than him). He has a very strict course with anti-Corona actions.
- The anti-"Querdenker" protesters mostly approve this strict course (a left-wing movement supporting a conservative politician, let that sink in!)
- The "Querdenker" protestors are known for attacking police and media members during their protests. The police is hesitating to use too much force against them, because that would give the "Querdenker"s a chance to make the police look like the bad guys.
- However, the police recently used a water cannon with full force against left-wing anti-"Querdenker" protestors. The official reason: Some of the protestors had left their assigned area for the protest.
 
(a left-wing movement supporting a conservative politician, let that sink in!)
Well actually that would be a good sign though ... better than saying "we'll resist his policy no matter what it is just because he's not from 'our side'".

Though Söder isn't much of an ideological conservative IMHO, he's more the type of politician who manages to keep most of the conservatives on board while actually being pretty flexible. Which is not necessarily a bad thing as such. Sometimes good decision making is just most important. No matter what political color the person making them has.
 
In English I guess the saying would be "to think outside of the box" ... when doing so one of course has to take care, that one is not just jumping into another, smaller box ... or even a padded cell...

I am not a native English speaker, but I would rather use "thinking outside the box" to describe finding a creative solution for a challenging and unusual task (like a riddle or a puzzle). Of course, I stand corrected if any native speaker said different. :cool:

And also, no... the equipment to participate in videoconference education, or the necessary connection quality, isn't there for every child in school and their family either.

You have a valid point there. Plus, Germany is really behind compared to other countries in Europe when it comes to the internet infrastructure. For example, I live in a medium-sized city in Germany (~ 125,000 inhabitants) and my internet still comes through the copper wire, instead of fiber optic cables. To quote Angela Merkel, "the internet is uncharted territory for all of us" after all.

Though Söder isn't much of an ideological conservative IMHO

That might be true, but being a member of the CSU party gives him a big "CONSERVATIVE" stamp on the forehead by default ;)
 
I am not a native English speaker, but I would rather use "thinking outside the box" to describe finding a creative solution for a challenging and unusual task (like a riddle or a puzzle). Of course, I stand corrected if any native speaker said different.
Well "Querdenken" didn't originally have a negative connotation, for instance my son (elementary school) has a group at school called "Die Querdenker" where they are basically supposed to be confronted with things that encourage thinking a bit 'against the grain' or unconventionally.
so basically exacly that ... finding creative solutions for unusual problems.
I guess they are going to rename that ...
 
You are right about the internet infrastructure here in Germany. In our village we had to show 300 participants for an ADSL connection so that a small private IT company was ready to supply the place with fast internet. The big Tekekom wasn't interested at all.
And as far as the teachers in online lessons are concerned, if the state data protection officer threatens teachers who have tried to find a solution for the connection to their students with fines of up to € 30,000. As a teacher, I just wait until I have been given approved software, have been thoroughly instructed in this software and a data protection officer has instructed me, and then I can start right away.
 
Well "Querdenken" didn't originally have a negative connotation, for instance my son (elementary school) has a group at school called "Die Querdenker" where they are basically supposed to be confronted with things that encourage thinking a bit 'against the grain' or unconventionally.
so basically exacly that ... finding creative solutions for unusual problems.
I guess they are going to rename that ...
To my knowledge the expression 'Querdenker' actually goes back to Karl Valentin, a very unusual, rather anarchistic comedian of the 1930s and 40s.
Another thing that makes me angry about the use of this word by those raging idiots.
Some of his humour was created by looking at things from a totally unexpected perspective and by applying a twisted kind of logic coming to very funny results.That's what 'Querdenken' originally meant.
 
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